0000919: Voxels support

(0003958)
Alien (reporter)
2012-07-13 20:00

Developing better rendering for 3d models would be well spent... It will give the same effect, but better.

(0003959)
ZzZombo (reporter)
2012-07-14 00:49
edited on: 2012-07-16 04:53

Wrong! Creating 3D models rather difficult than voxels.

(0003983)
Dusk (developer)
2012-07-15 10:06

In this changeset, ZDoom moved voxels to trunk.

It seems to be a pretty big thing, but I don't think it's impossible to backport, seeing most of the code seems to be separated in functions and whatnot. But it might also use new renderer methods Zandronum hasn't gotten yet so that might ruin things. :P

That's just a quick analysis. I haven't actually done anything other than quickly checking out the diffs.

(0004007)
Tosen (reporter)
2012-07-17 01:20

I fully support these because voxels look way better than 3d models.

(0004039)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2012-07-22 14:06

Quote from Dusk
It seems to be a pretty big thing, but I don't think it's impossible to backport, seeing most of the code seems to be separated in functions and whatnot.

I started to look at it and noticed that it seems to rely on ZDoom's updated resource management that Zandronum doesn't have yet. So it's better if we wait with this till we upgraded more of our ZDoom base.

(0004332)
Devon (reporter)
2012-08-09 09:09

Voxels would be a great thing to have for most mods, they look rather... cool. I support this

(0012076)
ibm5155 (reporter)
2015-04-09 17:56

Doom voxels are simple and uggly, but they fit software render doom part...
I would prefer a better light/shadow system but that would require graf (and it would return NO)...
off: since EDGE got MD5 support, can zanzan support it too? (idk if you guys are only porting zdoom only features and not from other ports :S)

(0012178)
Tsukiyomaru0 (reporter)
2015-04-28 03:36

It's weird that Voxel is still not supported by OGL, but here's the thing:
Leave Voxels Software-Renderer exclusive, 3D Models OGL-exclusive, keep things this way until a proper Voxel support for OGL pops up! Or so I think.

(0012179)
Dusk (developer)
2015-04-28 16:10

The OpenGL renderer converts voxels to models so those are supported.

(0012186)
Dark-Assassin (administrator)
2015-04-29 15:26

And they murder your FPS

(0012187)
Tsukiyomaru0 (reporter)
2015-04-29 21:31

Well, Dusk, there's that problem, OGL Voxel2Model is still unreliable due to the problems it causes, and this is the main reason that Voxels are still out of Zandronum. The only workaround I can think of it is that Voxels becomes a software-only perk until the issue has been dealt with.

(0012189)
Dusk (developer)
2015-04-30 09:56

What.

(0012190)
Edward-san (developer)
2015-04-30 10:01
edited on: 2015-04-30 10:01

I believe you're misunderstanding, Tsukiyomaru0. Zandronum did not port voxels yet because:
1) voxels are available from zdoom 2.6, zandronum 2.0 is at zdoom 2.5;
2) merging the code out of sequence is not worth it.

The OGL Voxel2Model "unreliability" has nothing to do with it.

Zandronum 3.0 will have voxels, because the code will be upgraded to at least zdoom 2.6.1.

(0012191)
Tsukiyomaru0 (reporter)
2015-04-30 14:27

Oh, thanks for clearing it up, Ed! :D

So, it is simply that... Now I'm pumped! I want to help in testing those developments when they come around!

(0012224)
Arco (updater)
2015-05-09 22:44

Works correctly in rr150509-1736. Tested with theDoom Voxel Project.

This issue is already marked as resolved. If you feel that is not the case, please reopen it and explain why.
Supporters:	Qent Devon President People Chronos Ouroboros Vavency Tsukiyomaru0
Opponents:	No one explicitly opposes this issue yet.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-07-13 10:58	ZzZombo	New Issue
2012-07-13 20:00	Alien	Note Added: 0003958
2012-07-14 00:49	ZzZombo	Note Added: 0003959
2012-07-15 10:06	Dusk	Note Added: 0003983
2012-07-16 04:53	ZzZombo	Note Edited: 0003959	View Revisions
2012-07-17 01:20	Tosen	Note Added: 0004007
2012-07-22 14:06	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0004039
2012-08-09 09:09	Devon	Note Added: 0004332
2012-08-09 10:29	Dusk	Status	new => acknowledged
2012-08-09 10:29	Dusk	Resolution	open => backport later
2015-04-05 07:31	WaTaKiD	Relationship added	child of 0002172
2015-04-05 07:31	WaTaKiD	Target Version	=> 3.0
2015-04-09 17:56	ibm5155	Note Added: 0012076
2015-04-28 03:36	Tsukiyomaru0	Note Added: 0012178
2015-04-28 16:10	Dusk	Note Added: 0012179
2015-04-29 15:26	Dark-Assassin	Note Added: 0012186
2015-04-29 21:31	Tsukiyomaru0	Note Added: 0012187
2015-04-30 09:56	Dusk	Note Added: 0012189
2015-04-30 10:01	Edward-san	Note Added: 0012190
2015-04-30 10:01	Edward-san	Note Edited: 0012190	View Revisions
2015-04-30 14:27	Tsukiyomaru0	Note Added: 0012191
2015-05-09 13:56	Dusk	Status	acknowledged => assigned
2015-05-09 13:56	Dusk	Assigned To	=> Torr Samaho
2015-05-09 13:59	Dusk	Status	assigned => needs testing
2015-05-09 22:44	Arco	Note Added: 0012224
2015-05-09 22:44	Arco	Reproducibility	N/A => always
2015-05-09 22:44	Arco	Status	needs testing => resolved
2015-05-09 22:44	Arco	Resolution	backport later => fixed
2015-05-09 22:44	Arco	Fixed in Version	=> 3.0
2018-09-30 22:29	Blzut3	Status	resolved => closed

Notes
(0003958) Alien (reporter) 2012-07-13 20:00	Developing better rendering for 3d models would be well spent... It will give the same effect, but better.

(0003959) ZzZombo (reporter) 2012-07-14 00:49 edited on: 2012-07-16 04:53	Wrong! Creating 3D models rather difficult than voxels.

(0003983) Dusk (developer) 2012-07-15 10:06	In this changeset, ZDoom moved voxels to trunk. It seems to be a pretty big thing, but I don't think it's impossible to backport, seeing most of the code seems to be separated in functions and whatnot. But it might also use new renderer methods Zandronum hasn't gotten yet so that might ruin things. :P That's just a quick analysis. I haven't actually done anything other than quickly checking out the diffs.

(0004007) Tosen (reporter) 2012-07-17 01:20	I fully support these because voxels look way better than 3d models.

(0004039) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2012-07-22 14:06	Quote from Dusk It seems to be a pretty big thing, but I don't think it's impossible to backport, seeing most of the code seems to be separated in functions and whatnot. I started to look at it and noticed that it seems to rely on ZDoom's updated resource management that Zandronum doesn't have yet. So it's better if we wait with this till we upgraded more of our ZDoom base.

(0004332) Devon (reporter) 2012-08-09 09:09	Voxels would be a great thing to have for most mods, they look rather... cool. I support this

(0012076) ibm5155 (reporter) 2015-04-09 17:56	Doom voxels are simple and uggly, but they fit software render doom part... I would prefer a better light/shadow system but that would require graf (and it would return NO)... off: since EDGE got MD5 support, can zanzan support it too? (idk if you guys are only porting zdoom only features and not from other ports :S)

(0012178) Tsukiyomaru0 (reporter) 2015-04-28 03:36	It's weird that Voxel is still not supported by OGL, but here's the thing: Leave Voxels Software-Renderer exclusive, 3D Models OGL-exclusive, keep things this way until a proper Voxel support for OGL pops up! Or so I think.

(0012179) Dusk (developer) 2015-04-28 16:10	The OpenGL renderer converts voxels to models so those are supported.

(0012186) Dark-Assassin (administrator) 2015-04-29 15:26	And they murder your FPS

(0012187) Tsukiyomaru0 (reporter) 2015-04-29 21:31	Well, Dusk, there's that problem, OGL Voxel2Model is still unreliable due to the problems it causes, and this is the main reason that Voxels are still out of Zandronum. The only workaround I can think of it is that Voxels becomes a software-only perk until the issue has been dealt with.

(0012189) Dusk (developer) 2015-04-30 09:56	What.

(0012190) Edward-san (developer) 2015-04-30 10:01 edited on: 2015-04-30 10:01	I believe you're misunderstanding, Tsukiyomaru0. Zandronum did not port voxels yet because: 1) voxels are available from zdoom 2.6, zandronum 2.0 is at zdoom 2.5; 2) merging the code out of sequence is not worth it. The OGL Voxel2Model "unreliability" has nothing to do with it. Zandronum 3.0 will have voxels, because the code will be upgraded to at least zdoom 2.6.1.

(0012191) Tsukiyomaru0 (reporter) 2015-04-30 14:27	Oh, thanks for clearing it up, Ed! :D So, it is simply that... Now I'm pumped! I want to help in testing those developments when they come around!

(0012224) Arco (updater) 2015-05-09 22:44	Works correctly in rr150509-1736. Tested with theDoom Voxel Project.