0000857: Spawn telefragged players should not drop weapons.

(0003666)
TIHan (reporter)
2012-06-04 01:49

'https://bitbucket.org/TIHan/zandronum/changeset/80aa40457474 [^]'

(0003688)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2012-06-07 16:11

Since this changes the gameplay I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

(0003690)
Edward-san (developer)
2012-06-07 22:26

when this bug was introduced? since forever?

(0003691)
Ivan (reporter)
2012-06-08 09:28
edited on: 2012-06-08 09:28

There are many issues with spawn telefragging, like resetting of health and armor to default values. (Which sucks...) I actually support this, because sometimes people just hog all the ammo and there's nothing left for you to pick up.

(0003694)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2012-06-09 11:51

> when this bug was introduced? since forever?

This is not a bug. If you die (no matter why) and sv_weapondrop is true, you drop your weapon.

> There are many issues with spawn telefragging, like resetting of health and armor to default values.

And again, this is the expected behavior when you die.

(0003712)
bluewizard (reporter)
2012-06-09 17:06

The problem is lets say you change the map and a bunch of people join the game, if you get telefragged, you lose all the health you had prior to the switch, and the people who JUST joined the game will pick up weapons they should not have in the first place.

So that bfg you worked very hard to get will just be easily obtained by an idiot who spawn telefragged you.

(0003727)
TIHan (reporter)
2012-06-10 04:34

I did this on request.

My opinion on this, I think we should handle it, but if we do, we should handle it for everything, which might be a bad idea design wise.

Perhaps the argument we be just to use sv_unblockplayers 1 and that would solve those issues.

(0003749)
Qent (updater)
2012-06-13 00:00

IMHO spawn telefrags should not drop weapons. Say for instance you're playing survival with one life, along with one other player. You have a BFG from the previous map, but he does not. Normally, the only way for him to get your BFG (for the sake of argument sv_nodrop is true) is if you die, removing you from the rest of the level. But if he spawn telefrags you, he will get your BFG without your losing a life, because spawn telefrags are already treated as a special case with regard to lives and frags. Then you will have two BFGs between you.

Overall though I think it's minor and difficult to exploit.

(0003814)
ZzZombo (reporter)
2012-06-19 12:38

I think since nobody has opposed this issue we can apply this patch.

(0003815)
Qent (updater)
2012-06-19 16:51

Torr opposed it.

(0003845)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2012-06-24 16:50
edited on: 2012-06-24 16:51

Quote from TIHan
Perhaps the argument we be just to use sv_unblockplayers 1 and that would solve those issues.

Yeah, I think that's what should be done here, i.e. we just keep everything as it is.

If we really want to change the standard gameplay behavior everybody is familiar with, the change should be optional. But since "sv_unblockplayers 1" already seems to achieve the essence of this, I don't think that we need to add another flag for the spawn kill weapon drop behavior.

(0004256)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2012-08-05 08:32

Since nobody commented on this for more than a month I assume that "sv_unblockplayers 1" is enough to resolve this.

This issue is already marked as resolved. If you feel that is not the case, please reopen it and explain why.
Supporters:	ZzZombo Qent
Opponents:	No one explicitly opposes this issue yet.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-06-04 01:46	TIHan	New Issue
2012-06-04 01:46	TIHan	Status	new => assigned
2012-06-04 01:46	TIHan	Assigned To	=> TIHan
2012-06-04 01:49	TIHan	Note Added: 0003666
2012-06-04 01:50	TIHan	Status	assigned => needs review
2012-06-04 04:37	TIHan	Severity	feature => tweak
2012-06-07 16:11	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0003688
2012-06-07 16:11	Torr Samaho	Status	needs review => feedback
2012-06-07 22:26	Edward-san	Note Added: 0003690
2012-06-08 09:28	Ivan	Note Added: 0003691
2012-06-08 09:28	Ivan	Note Edited: 0003691	View Revisions
2012-06-09 11:51	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0003694
2012-06-09 17:06	bluewizard	Note Added: 0003712
2012-06-10 04:34	TIHan	Note Added: 0003727
2012-06-10 04:34	TIHan	Status	feedback => assigned
2012-06-10 04:35	TIHan	Status	assigned => feedback
2012-06-13 00:00	Qent	Note Added: 0003749
2012-06-19 12:38	ZzZombo	Note Added: 0003814
2012-06-19 12:38	ZzZombo	Note View State: 0003814: private
2012-06-19 12:38	ZzZombo	Note View State: 0003814: public
2012-06-19 16:51	Qent	Note Added: 0003815
2012-06-24 16:50	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0003845
2012-06-24 16:51	Torr Samaho	Note Edited: 0003845	View Revisions
2012-08-05 08:32	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0004256
2012-08-05 08:32	Torr Samaho	Status	feedback => closed
2012-08-05 08:32	Torr Samaho	Assigned To	TIHan =>
2012-08-05 08:32	Torr Samaho	Resolution	open => denied

Notes
(0003666) TIHan (reporter) 2012-06-04 01:49	'https://bitbucket.org/TIHan/zandronum/changeset/80aa40457474 [^]'

(0003688) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2012-06-07 16:11	Since this changes the gameplay I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

(0003690) Edward-san (developer) 2012-06-07 22:26	when this bug was introduced? since forever?

(0003691) Ivan (reporter) 2012-06-08 09:28 edited on: 2012-06-08 09:28	There are many issues with spawn telefragging, like resetting of health and armor to default values. (Which sucks...) I actually support this, because sometimes people just hog all the ammo and there's nothing left for you to pick up.

(0003694) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2012-06-09 11:51	> when this bug was introduced? since forever? This is not a bug. If you die (no matter why) and sv_weapondrop is true, you drop your weapon. > There are many issues with spawn telefragging, like resetting of health and armor to default values. And again, this is the expected behavior when you die.

(0003712) bluewizard (reporter) 2012-06-09 17:06	The problem is lets say you change the map and a bunch of people join the game, if you get telefragged, you lose all the health you had prior to the switch, and the people who JUST joined the game will pick up weapons they should not have in the first place. So that bfg you worked very hard to get will just be easily obtained by an idiot who spawn telefragged you.

(0003727) TIHan (reporter) 2012-06-10 04:34	I did this on request. My opinion on this, I think we should handle it, but if we do, we should handle it for everything, which might be a bad idea design wise. Perhaps the argument we be just to use sv_unblockplayers 1 and that would solve those issues.

(0003749) Qent (updater) 2012-06-13 00:00	IMHO spawn telefrags should not drop weapons. Say for instance you're playing survival with one life, along with one other player. You have a BFG from the previous map, but he does not. Normally, the only way for him to get your BFG (for the sake of argument sv_nodrop is true) is if you die, removing you from the rest of the level. But if he spawn telefrags you, he will get your BFG without your losing a life, because spawn telefrags are already treated as a special case with regard to lives and frags. Then you will have two BFGs between you. Overall though I think it's minor and difficult to exploit.

(0003814) ZzZombo (reporter) 2012-06-19 12:38	I think since nobody has opposed this issue we can apply this patch.

(0003815) Qent (updater) 2012-06-19 16:51	Torr opposed it.

(0003845) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2012-06-24 16:50 edited on: 2012-06-24 16:51	Quote from TIHan Perhaps the argument we be just to use sv_unblockplayers 1 and that would solve those issues. Yeah, I think that's what should be done here, i.e. we just keep everything as it is. If we really want to change the standard gameplay behavior everybody is familiar with, the change should be optional. But since "sv_unblockplayers 1" already seems to achieve the essence of this, I don't think that we need to add another flag for the spawn kill weapon drop behavior.

(0004256) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2012-08-05 08:32	Since nobody commented on this for more than a month I assume that "sv_unblockplayers 1" is enough to resolve this.

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