0004549: Don't spawn team items like flags and skulls across modes where they don't belong

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(0024546) Trillster (reporter) 2025-05-19 23:19	One thing to be careful about with making this change is to maintain there being some way to spawn these actors outside of their intended mode that doesn't rely on breaking its behavior in its intended mode. Currently, -NOTDMATCH acts as this for the CTF actors. That behavior is useful to maintain because some game-mode mods will repurpose the placement of these actors in Team Game ACS (for example turning the CTF flags into health / ammo spawners). However, those mods shouldn't be forced to break CTF / Skulltag when doing that sort of multi-purpose use (as they aren't currently).

(0024549) unknownna (updater) 2025-05-25 15:58	Quote from Trillster ne thing to be careful about with making this change is to maintain there being some way to spawn these actors outside of their intended mode that doesn't rely on breaking its behavior in its intended mode. Currently, -NOTDMATCH acts as this for the CTF actors. That behavior is useful to maintain because some game-mode mods will repurpose the placement of these actors in Team Game ACS (for example turning the CTF flags into health / ammo spawners). I agree that letting the team items spawn in the TeamGame mode is a good thing to keep for mods that customize the behavior of the team items in general. Are there any situations however where one would want team items to spawn in unrelated modes like coop and invasion? As for the Skulltag score pillars, from a certain perspective they could be viewed as decorative objects like candles and pillars, so maybe they can be allowed to remain as well. But I'm not quite sure.

(0024702) DrinkyBird (developer) 2026-04-28 10:25	I can think of at least two Jumpmaze maps that do use the flag items, even if it's just decoratively. I guess a better question is: is there a situation where you don't want team items to spawn in coop? Are there really maps that are played in both CTF/ST and coop, and the team items cause problems in coop?

(0024723) unknownna (updater) 2026-05-15 09:09	Quote from DrinkyBird I guess a better question is: is there a situation where you don't want team items to spawn in coop? Are there really maps that are played in both CTF/ST and coop, and the team items cause problems in coop? Well, hypothetically one could make a mapset where multiple modes are to be supported on the same maps. It might not be realistic at the moment, but you never know what mappers might want to do in the future. I'm not trying to start an argument with you here, I just thought when I made this suggestion that it would clean up and separate between the modes better in maps, or am I missing something? I suppose the problem is that this suggestion is made very late, so people are used to the team items appearing in unrelated modes, and already added them to maps like you say. Do you think it should eventually be changed in the future to clean it up more, or do you simply wish to leave things as is?

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Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2025-05-10 18:01	unknownna	New Issue
2025-05-10 18:01	unknownna	File Added: countdown_deathcount_02c.wad
2025-05-10 18:01	unknownna	File Added: Screenshot_Doom_20250510_194814.png
2025-05-19 23:19	Trillster	Note Added: 0024546
2025-05-25 01:20	shophoatuoihanoi	Note Added: 0024547
2025-05-25 15:58	unknownna	Note Added: 0024549
2025-05-25 16:41	Kaminsky	Note Deleted: 0024547
2026-04-28 10:25	DrinkyBird	Note Added: 0024702
2026-05-15 09:09	unknownna	Note Added: 0024723
2026-05-15 09:09	unknownna	Status	new => feedback

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