0000856: Change Default Config to WASD

(0003663)
Tribeam213 (reporter)
2012-06-02 15:53

Idk how to edit my own report so I'll just add this here

Also maybe change the default resolution from 640x480 to something like 800x600 or 1024x768.

(0003664)
Edward-san (developer)
2012-06-02 17:16

The 640x480 resolution is the best way for my pc, I can't set it to a higher resolution or my pc will kill performances.

About the rest, this is a typical [ask zdoom].

(0005509)
kudo (reporter)
2012-12-13 03:25

I'm Strongly support wasd as a default or even default alternate configuration, but I would still prefer mouselook to be disabled on initial boot as it preserves the DOOM feel. (WASD doesn't break it it just makes the game playable for modern shooter players)

(0005514)
Qent (updater)
2012-12-15 06:36

I think deferring to ZDoom would be simpler and less confusing.

(0005517)
bluewizard (reporter)
2012-12-15 22:49

'http://zandronum.com/tracker/view.php?id=978 [^]'

Don't forget about that either, guys!

(0005519)
Bloax (reporter)
2012-12-16 14:50

'https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/zandronum-ASDF.zip [^]'

Hm? Very basic setup, but at least it should be workable from-the-box with some per-person customization. (Eg. Mouse settings)

(0005521)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2012-12-16 17:35

I wouldn't mind using WASD as default. Any objections?

(0005528)
Dusk (developer)
2012-12-16 20:24

Could also enable cl_run by default.

(0005529)
Jigsaw (reporter)
2012-12-17 17:24

cl_run shouldn't be auto, but should be auto binded to caps lock for example (if it isn't already) I support auto-enabling mouselook. Or the game should ask (only on very first boot) whether which mode to use.
Classic mode: Everything is default and feels like playing Doom.
Modern mode: Mouselook on, WASD, mouse 1-2 fire & alt fire, etc...

(0005530)
ZzZombo (reporter)
2012-12-18 01:36

cl_run MUST be enabled by default. I keep see people playing different mods but constantly failing (and probably causing the team to fail too) because they are fatasses.

(0005531)
bluewizard (reporter)
2012-12-18 14:58

I gotta agree with Zzombo, there are far more drawbacks in having run off. Most notable are the dumb players who don't know about run that just become a plain nuisance in-game.

(0005539)
Watermelon (developer)
2012-12-22 05:16

I support, this is the gold standard of playing (even though I use right click mouse for forward, I use S/A/D)

(0005589)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2012-12-27 12:02
edited on: 2012-12-27 12:30

I just realized that this clashes with some of the default Strife bindings: There "w" is "showpop 1" and "a" is "+jump". Any suggestions how to resolve this? One possibility would be to use WASD only when not playing Strife.

EDIT: I just changed cl_run to default to true.

(0005605)
bluewizard (reporter)
2012-12-29 01:41

That sounds good, otherwise you could give a warning message that says some critical strife keys aren't being used when you load up strife or something.

(0005828)
StrikerMan780 (reporter)
2013-01-26 23:11
edited on: 2013-01-26 23:22

This is my setup:

WASD - Movement
F - Use
Space - Jump
Q - Fly Up (for spectator/heretic/hexen)
E - Fly Down (for spectator/heretic/hexen)
Mouse1 - Fire
Mouse2 - Altfire
Mouse3 - Move Forward
MouseWheel Up/Down - Weapon Prev/Next
TAB - Show Scores
Backspace - Automap
O - Strife Objectives
K - Strife Keys
N - Strife Weapon/Ammo
M - Show Medals
SHIFT - Run
CTRL - Crouch
Z - Inventory Previous
C - Inventory Next
X - Inventory Use
P - ChaseCam
T - Chat
Y - Team Chat
R - Reload (For when it's backported from ZDOOM)
U - Taunt
\ - Drop Weapon

Always Mouselook - ON

That should tackle the issue with Strife, and offers a consistent setup for all of the games. It takes care of mods that use alternate fires as well. It's also fairly close to common control setups for Source Engine games.

(0005831)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2013-01-27 08:49

While there should be no problems adding default bindings (like WASD in non-Strife games), I'm not sure if changing any existing default ZDoom binding is a good idea. I guess we should vote on this.

(0005834)
Frits (reporter)
2013-01-27 10:35

But for example my config is entirely different from that and the first thing you do in a new game is configuring controls anyway.
So I'm against. Keep the current key bindings save WASD.

(0005835)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2013-01-27 11:01

But what does this mean for Strife? As I said above, it already uses "w" and "a", so we can't use WASD there without changing existing ZDoom bindings.

(0005836)
Dusk (developer)
2013-01-27 11:14

I believe we should just leave Strife without WASD. Perhaps when the player first starts the game/connects to a server, let the player know to change controls if they haven't set them yet? Just brainstorming here.

(0005837)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2013-01-27 12:41

Alright, I added WASD as default in non-Strife games: Please test with this binary.

(0005886)
bluewizard (reporter)
2013-01-31 06:17

Binary works as intended.

This issue is already marked as resolved. If you feel that is not the case, please reopen it and explain why.
Supporters:	TIHan Konar6 kudo ZzZombo someoneelse bluewizard Bloax Combinebobnt
Opponents:	Qent

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-06-02 15:49	Tribeam213	New Issue
2012-06-02 15:53	Tribeam213	Note Added: 0003663
2012-06-02 17:16	Edward-san	Note Added: 0003664
2012-12-13 03:25	kudo	Note Added: 0005509
2012-12-15 06:36	Qent	Note Added: 0005514
2012-12-15 22:49	bluewizard	Note Added: 0005517
2012-12-16 14:50	Bloax	Note Added: 0005519
2012-12-16 17:35	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0005521
2012-12-16 20:23	Dusk	Relationship added	related to 0000978
2012-12-16 20:24	Dusk	Note Added: 0005528
2012-12-17 17:24	Jigsaw	Note Added: 0005529
2012-12-18 01:36	ZzZombo	Note Added: 0005530
2012-12-18 14:58	bluewizard	Note Added: 0005531
2012-12-18 21:00	Dusk	Target Version	=> 1.1
2012-12-22 05:16	Watermelon	Note Added: 0005539
2012-12-27 12:02	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0005589
2012-12-27 12:03	Torr Samaho	Note Edited: 0005589
2012-12-27 12:03	Torr Samaho	Note Edited: 0005589
2012-12-27 12:03	Torr Samaho	Note Revision Dropped: 5589: 0003056
2012-12-27 12:03	Torr Samaho	Note Revision Dropped: 5589: 0003057
2012-12-27 12:03	Torr Samaho	Assigned To	=> Torr Samaho
2012-12-27 12:03	Torr Samaho	Status	new => assigned
2012-12-27 12:04	Torr Samaho	Status	assigned => feedback
2012-12-27 12:30	Torr Samaho	Note Edited: 0005589	View Revisions
2012-12-27 12:30	Torr Samaho	Note Revision Dropped: 5589: 0003058
2012-12-29 01:41	bluewizard	Note Added: 0005605
2013-01-26 23:11	StrikerMan780	Note Added: 0005828
2013-01-26 23:12	StrikerMan780	Note Edited: 0005828	View Revisions
2013-01-26 23:13	StrikerMan780	Note Edited: 0005828	View Revisions
2013-01-26 23:14	StrikerMan780	Note Edited: 0005828	View Revisions
2013-01-26 23:20	StrikerMan780	Note Edited: 0005828	View Revisions
2013-01-26 23:21	StrikerMan780	Note Edited: 0005828	View Revisions
2013-01-26 23:22	StrikerMan780	Note Edited: 0005828	View Revisions
2013-01-27 08:49	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0005831
2013-01-27 10:35	Frits	Note Added: 0005834
2013-01-27 11:01	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0005835
2013-01-27 11:14	Dusk	Note Added: 0005836
2013-01-27 12:41	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0005837
2013-01-27 12:42	Torr Samaho	Status	feedback => needs testing
2013-01-27 12:43	Torr Samaho	Product Version	=> 1.0
2013-01-31 06:17	bluewizard	Note Added: 0005886
2013-01-31 06:27	Torr Samaho	Status	needs testing => resolved
2013-01-31 06:27	Torr Samaho	Fixed in Version	=> 1.1
2013-01-31 06:27	Torr Samaho	Resolution	open => fixed
2018-09-30 20:51	Blzut3	Status	resolved => closed

Notes
(0003663) Tribeam213 (reporter) 2012-06-02 15:53	Idk how to edit my own report so I'll just add this here Also maybe change the default resolution from 640x480 to something like 800x600 or 1024x768.

(0003664) Edward-san (developer) 2012-06-02 17:16	The 640x480 resolution is the best way for my pc, I can't set it to a higher resolution or my pc will kill performances. About the rest, this is a typical [ask zdoom].

(0005509) kudo (reporter) 2012-12-13 03:25	I'm Strongly support wasd as a default or even default alternate configuration, but I would still prefer mouselook to be disabled on initial boot as it preserves the DOOM feel. (WASD doesn't break it it just makes the game playable for modern shooter players)

(0005514) Qent (updater) 2012-12-15 06:36	I think deferring to ZDoom would be simpler and less confusing.

(0005517) bluewizard (reporter) 2012-12-15 22:49	'http://zandronum.com/tracker/view.php?id=978 [^]' Don't forget about that either, guys!

(0005519) Bloax (reporter) 2012-12-16 14:50	'https://dl.dropbox.com/u/63152810/zandronum-ASDF.zip [^]' Hm? Very basic setup, but at least it should be workable from-the-box with some per-person customization. (Eg. Mouse settings)

(0005521) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2012-12-16 17:35	I wouldn't mind using WASD as default. Any objections?

(0005528) Dusk (developer) 2012-12-16 20:24	Could also enable cl_run by default.

(0005529) Jigsaw (reporter) 2012-12-17 17:24	cl_run shouldn't be auto, but should be auto binded to caps lock for example (if it isn't already) I support auto-enabling mouselook. Or the game should ask (only on very first boot) whether which mode to use. Classic mode: Everything is default and feels like playing Doom. Modern mode: Mouselook on, WASD, mouse 1-2 fire & alt fire, etc...

(0005530) ZzZombo (reporter) 2012-12-18 01:36	cl_run MUST be enabled by default. I keep see people playing different mods but constantly failing (and probably causing the team to fail too) because they are fatasses.

(0005531) bluewizard (reporter) 2012-12-18 14:58	I gotta agree with Zzombo, there are far more drawbacks in having run off. Most notable are the dumb players who don't know about run that just become a plain nuisance in-game.

(0005539) Watermelon (developer) 2012-12-22 05:16	I support, this is the gold standard of playing (even though I use right click mouse for forward, I use S/A/D)

(0005589) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2012-12-27 12:02 edited on: 2012-12-27 12:30	I just realized that this clashes with some of the default Strife bindings: There "w" is "showpop 1" and "a" is "+jump". Any suggestions how to resolve this? One possibility would be to use WASD only when not playing Strife. EDIT: I just changed cl_run to default to true.

(0005605) bluewizard (reporter) 2012-12-29 01:41	That sounds good, otherwise you could give a warning message that says some critical strife keys aren't being used when you load up strife or something.

(0005828) StrikerMan780 (reporter) 2013-01-26 23:11 edited on: 2013-01-26 23:22	This is my setup: WASD - Movement F - Use Space - Jump Q - Fly Up (for spectator/heretic/hexen) E - Fly Down (for spectator/heretic/hexen) Mouse1 - Fire Mouse2 - Altfire Mouse3 - Move Forward MouseWheel Up/Down - Weapon Prev/Next TAB - Show Scores Backspace - Automap O - Strife Objectives K - Strife Keys N - Strife Weapon/Ammo M - Show Medals SHIFT - Run CTRL - Crouch Z - Inventory Previous C - Inventory Next X - Inventory Use P - ChaseCam T - Chat Y - Team Chat R - Reload (For when it's backported from ZDOOM) U - Taunt \ - Drop Weapon Always Mouselook - ON That should tackle the issue with Strife, and offers a consistent setup for all of the games. It takes care of mods that use alternate fires as well. It's also fairly close to common control setups for Source Engine games.

(0005831) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2013-01-27 08:49	While there should be no problems adding default bindings (like WASD in non-Strife games), I'm not sure if changing any existing default ZDoom binding is a good idea. I guess we should vote on this.

(0005834) Frits (reporter) 2013-01-27 10:35	But for example my config is entirely different from that and the first thing you do in a new game is configuring controls anyway. So I'm against. Keep the current key bindings save WASD.

(0005835) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2013-01-27 11:01	But what does this mean for Strife? As I said above, it already uses "w" and "a", so we can't use WASD there without changing existing ZDoom bindings.

(0005836) Dusk (developer) 2013-01-27 11:14	I believe we should just leave Strife without WASD. Perhaps when the player first starts the game/connects to a server, let the player know to change controls if they haven't set them yet? Just brainstorming here.

(0005837) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2013-01-27 12:41	Alright, I added WASD as default in non-Strife games: Please test with this binary.

(0005886) bluewizard (reporter) 2013-01-31 06:17	Binary works as intended.