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|0003552||Doomseeker||[All Projects] Bug||public||2018-10-12 21:56||2018-10-20 03:12|
|Target Version||1.3||Fixed in Version|
|Summary||0003552: DogSoft, included in Wadseeker's WAD sites, often gives outdated WADs (and/or is very slow)|
|Description||Can we removehttps://doom.dogsoft.net/getwad.php?search=%WADNAME% [^] from the default Wadseeker WAD site list? It's often very slow, and gives old wads which won't work.|
|Additional Information||This was requested by another player on Jace Hall's server.|
|Attached Files|| 2018-10-12-215344_578x138_scrot.png [^] (47,597 bytes) 2018-10-12 21:56
0001-WAD-sites-Remove-Dogsoft.patch [^] (891 bytes) 2018-10-12 22:08 [Show Content]
edited on: 2018-10-12 23:21
Last I checked (admittedly a long time ago) mega-dog was really responsive. Wouldn't it be better to report bad files?
I mean we're getting really close to "just don't even bother trying to find wads." :P
Edit: Made an attempt to reach Mega-Dog for comment.
|I'm not sure if this is temporary or a long standing issue, buthttps://doom.dogsoft.net/ [^] is also returning lots of 500 Internal Server Error status codes (about 50% of the time).|
edited on: 2018-10-13 14:40
Last time I talked with Collin (mega-dog) was in November 2016. We discussed how Wadseeker operates so that he could adjust the server settings to minimize unnecessary resources use. Note that Wadseeker doesn't handle URLs that respond with HTTP attachments very well. When an archive or a .wad attachment is encountered, there are actually two downloads started with the first download being aborted after reading the HTTP meta-data. Any payload that already arrived in this first connection is discarded. Only the second connection actually gets the data. I explained all of this to him.
Ever since that 2016 talk I noticed that the server was reconfigured to throttle the upload speed (from server's perspective) for a few initial seconds. This was presumably done so in expectance that the connection may be dropped after the client reads the meta-data. This throttling is understandable.
I don't know what's going on with this service now.
Quote from WubTheCaptain
I also don't know what's going on with that. 10 years ago it was a common practice that if you planned on creating a continuously-developed WAD, you needed to include the version of that WAD in its filename. Did people abandon this practice today? When WAD authors don't follow this rule, it's their own fault that people are getting incompatible versions of WADs.
I know about the internal server error, I am going to move over to a dedicated server probably in January since my host can't do anything about the overload on traffic at times. The throttle speed is due to the overload and I have no control over it and no matter how much I complain about everything to my host they ignore me and tell me something different like it is in my code which is not.
As far as outdated wads, well if a real wad author would know to do different version numbers on their wads so it can always get the updated file. Even an author making a new wad would look to see if a wad already has a name. Majority of all the new files are archived off all the main servers in use, that is how i have more than 90% of the wads/pk3's these days.
I can't believe that some people that are newer to the Doom community don't understand the effort that some people like me have put into gathering all the wad projects for over 10 years now. Bad enough I get emails of people even wanting a copy of my archive which I will probably never provide.
Mega-Dog, thanks for the response.
Quote from Mega-Dog
That's far ahead, but I wonder why not sooner since we both seem to be so unsatisfied in the current situation with the service provider quality.
The site is currently inaccessible (HTTP status code 500) and probably has some impact on the UX of Wadseeker with default configuration.
I don't know yet when a Doomseeker/Wadseeker 1.3 release would be.
Quote from Mega-Dog
Side-note: Is the PHP code on the site available as free software for review? I bet it's quite trivial, but I guess it still uses trivially more host resources (CPU) for going through getwad.php instead of a static file on the server.
I recognize getwad.php does some (anonymized?) statistics with downloads, I guess.
Quote from Mega-Dog
I appreciate it.
Side-note: I remember ArchiveTeam crawled and grabbed a large WAD site or two a while ago with ArchiveBot. There's interest for that, video game history preservation at the Internet Archive. This may or may not have been partly due to me; I've seen enough websites/filesharing sites come and go, some old some new.
Unfortunately "mod authors should," while true that it would avoid the problem, doesn't really solve the problem at hand. Plus given that you say you scan servers to archive their files it sounds like a malicious actor could potentially preemptively poison your archive. Do you have a preferred procedure that someone who notices and outdated mod can report it and have it updated?
Also might be interesting now that Zandronum is going to have MD5 hash reporting (and Odamex had it for awhile) to support MD5 lookup.
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|2018-10-12 21:56||WubTheCaptain||New Issue|
|2018-10-12 21:56||WubTheCaptain||Status||new => assigned|
|2018-10-12 21:56||WubTheCaptain||Assigned To||=> WubTheCaptain|
|2018-10-12 21:56||WubTheCaptain||File Added: 2018-10-12-215344_578x138_scrot.png|
|2018-10-12 22:08||WubTheCaptain||File Added: 0001-WAD-sites-Remove-Dogsoft.patch|
|2018-10-12 22:08||WubTheCaptain||Status||assigned => needs testing|
|2018-10-12 22:08||WubTheCaptain||Status||needs testing => needs review|
|2018-10-12 23:14||Blzut3||Note Added: 0020089|
|2018-10-12 23:21||Blzut3||Note Edited: 0020089||View Revisions|
|2018-10-13 00:07||WubTheCaptain||Note Added: 0020090|
|2018-10-13 01:29||WubTheCaptain||Summary||Dogsoft, included in Wadseeker's WAD sites, often gives outdated WADs (and/or is very slow) => DogSoft, included in Wadseeker's WAD sites, often gives outdated WADs (and/or is very slow)|
|2018-10-13 14:39||Zalewa||Note Added: 0020095|
|2018-10-13 14:40||Zalewa||Note Edited: 0020095||View Revisions|
|2018-10-13 16:33||WubTheCaptain||Target Version||1.2 => 1.3|
|2018-10-19 12:21||Mega-Dog||Note Added: 0020136|
|2018-10-19 20:50||WubTheCaptain||Note Added: 0020137|
|2018-10-20 00:37||Blzut3||Note Added: 0020139|
|2018-10-20 03:12||Blzut3||Relationship added||related to 0003369|
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