0000117: 98d - More Projectile Bugs Online

(0000358)
Dark-Assassin (administrator)
2010-10-14 08:02

Oops, Not linux, all OS. Derp

(0000359)
unknownna (updater)
2010-10-14 08:17
edited on: 2010-10-14 08:18

Looks like the projectile is stuck in a 3dMidtex in the first three pictures. Similar to this:

'http://skulltag.net/tracker/view.php?id=91 [^]'
'http://skulltag.net/tracker/view.php?id=95 [^]'

(0000360)
Dark-Assassin (administrator)
2010-10-14 08:19

kk, then what about the projectile fountain particles failing to reach death state when hit by player online on 98d? Is that pretty much the same?

(0000366)
unknownna (updater)
2010-10-15 08:11
edited on: 2010-10-15 08:40

Does this happen in 98c? If it doesn't, it might be a side effect from this fix:

'http://www.skulltag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=341297#p341297 [^]'

(0000368)
unknownna (updater)
2010-10-15 13:49
edited on: 2010-10-15 13:53

You're right. I tried a map in "Zombie HORDE" (zm03: Snowy Town Panic), which uses a snow spawner effect. From the looks of it, most of the snow projectiles get stuck in floors next to walls.

So this means that they collide with something before getting stuck. This collision with walls/actors is perhaps what causes the projectiles to stay.

This is something that definitely needs to be fixed before an official 98d release. After a few minutes, the FPS drop becomes so huge that it becomes unplayable.

I made an example WAD. Host it on a local server. No ping emulation needed.

EDIT:

Added a screenshot. This is how the side effect looks like in-game.

(0000372)
Cutman (reporter)
2010-10-15 15:20

This is exactly the same problem as this one I posted'http://skulltag.net/tracker/view.php?id=95 [^]' (which hasn't been commented on yet)

Also happens with certain weapon projectiles. I haven't tested this yet, but could this be something to do with unlagged?

(0000375)
unknownna (updater)
2010-10-15 20:16
edited on: 2010-10-15 20:39

This issue was introduced between r2940 and r2947:
'http://www.dailydoomer.com/tsst/misc/SkullDev98dRocketFixTest.7z [^]'
'http://www.dailydoomer.com/tsst/misc/SkullDev98d-2947windows.7z [^]'

1. r2940: Projectiles no longer die upon contact with walls.
2. r2947: Projectiles start to get stuck in floors/ceilings/3dMidtex after contact with walls/actors.

This was when Torr fixed the issues with projectiles exploding, but not dealing any damage.

(0000384)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2010-10-17 08:03

Please test if this fixes the issue.

(0000391)
TIHan (reporter)
2010-10-17 10:25
edited on: 2010-10-17 10:30

This seems to have fixed the issue with projectiles getting stuck, as far as my testing is concerned. I managed to get some enemies firing projectiles to where they would hit the ceiling and they never got stuck. Also, the fountain particles seem to be disappearing now instead of being stuck. However, there seems to be another issue with those fountains in Stronghold and I think it might be related to this.

Edit: Tested the snow_projectile_stuck_test.wad, the snow particles disappear like they should.

'http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8638/2981multiplayer.jpg [^]'
This image here is 2981 on a multiplayer game. Running Stronghold, I walk over a fountain and look straight down. Notice the white dot. I believe it keeps spawning these particles in that one spot when it is not supposed to. If you let it do this, your framerate is toast throughout the level until you reconnect or go to a different map.

'http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3831/2981singleplayer.jpg [^]'
This image here is 2981 on a singleplayer game. Running Stronghold, I walk over a fountain and look straight down. You will notice the particles don't keep spawning in that one spot and my framerate does not drop at all.

(0000392)
unknownna (updater)
2010-10-17 10:26

Seems to have fixed the issues in the example WAD and the issues that I noticed in "Megaman 8-Bit DM" I'd like to hear opinions from Cutman and dark-slayer-201 about the latter though.

However, the snow spawners in "Zombie HORDE" behave differently. They jerk a little just before hitting the ground. But it also happens offline. I can see that the DECORATE code is modified, not stock from Realm667.com. Ok, it also happens offline in 98c so I think that it's a user error in the DECORATE code.

(0000395)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2010-10-17 11:07

The Stronghold fountain issue seems to be unrelated to the other issues since it also happens in 98c.

(0000399)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2010-10-17 11:18

Can somebody check how the Stronghold fountain is implemented? Or even better create a minimal example wad for this?

(0000401)
unknownna (updater)
2010-10-17 12:05

Done. It seems like the water projectiles don't die when you run over the fountains. It indeed also happens online in 98c.

(0000405)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2010-10-17 13:32

Thanks for the example wad, it was really helpful! This should fix the Stronghold fountain problems.

(0000407)
Cutman (reporter)
2010-10-17 13:51

I tried this with my projectile issues and it seems to have fixed them. Thanks!

Another weird bug has cropped up due to this fix though. Projectiles (and perhaps other things like monsters) don't seem to be subject to the map's gravity set via MAPINFO

'http://www.sendspace.com/file/7ssz9c [^]'

In this test map, grenades will appear to use regular gravity to the client, but are in fact not. Try to aim a grenade at the wall to bounce back at you, usually you'll find it does not damage you (because really it's subject to the MAPINFO gravity)

Note that this does not happen when the gravity is changed via ACS!

(0000408)
unknownna (updater)
2010-10-17 14:01
edited on: 2010-10-17 14:01

No problem. Glad to help.

From what I see, the Stronghold fountain problems have been fixed.

(0000409)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2010-10-17 14:02

The grenade issue seems to be unrelated to the other issues, it already happens in build 2938.

(0000410)
Cutman (reporter)
2010-10-17 14:07

Shall I make another report so you can close this one?

(0000412)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2010-10-17 14:19

I think I already figured out what's causing the gravity problems, so another report hopefully won't be necessary. Please test if this fixes the gravity issues.

(0000417)
Cutman (reporter)
2010-10-17 14:36

Nice job, that's fixed it!

(0000420)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2010-10-17 14:45

Alright, so I can assume that everything reported here is fixed, right?

(0000421)
Cutman (reporter)
2010-10-17 14:59

You got my thumbs up!

(0000422)
user35
2010-10-17 15:01

Seems like everything is fixed now

(0000423)
Torr Samaho (administrator)
2010-10-17 15:16

Alright :).

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Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-10-14 08:02	Dark-Assassin	New Issue
2010-10-14 08:02	Dark-Assassin	Note Added: 0000358
2010-10-14 08:17	unknownna	Note Added: 0000359
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2010-10-14 08:19	Dark-Assassin	Note Added: 0000360
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2010-10-15 12:27	Anonymous	Note Added: 0000367
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2010-10-15 13:49	unknownna	Note Added: 0000368
2010-10-15 13:49	unknownna	File Added: snow_projectile_stuck_test.wad
2010-10-15 13:50	unknownna	File Added: screenshotdoom201010151.png
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2010-10-15 15:20	Cutman	Note Added: 0000372
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2010-10-15 20:59	Anonymous	Note Deleted: 0000367
2010-10-17 08:03	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0000384
2010-10-17 08:03	Torr Samaho	Assigned To	=> Torr Samaho
2010-10-17 08:03	Torr Samaho	Status	new => feedback
2010-10-17 10:25	TIHan	Note Added: 0000391
2010-10-17 10:26	unknownna	Note Added: 0000392
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2010-10-17 11:07	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0000395
2010-10-17 11:13	Torr Samaho	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000091
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2010-10-17 11:18	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0000399
2010-10-17 12:02	unknownna	File Added: stronghold_waterfountain_test.wad
2010-10-17 12:05	unknownna	Note Added: 0000401
2010-10-17 12:52	Anonymous	Note Added: 0000403
2010-10-17 13:32	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0000405
2010-10-17 13:51	Cutman	Note Added: 0000407
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2010-10-17 14:02	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0000409
2010-10-17 14:07	Cutman	Note Added: 0000410
2010-10-17 14:19	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0000412
2010-10-17 14:36	Cutman	Note Added: 0000417
2010-10-17 14:45	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0000420
2010-10-17 14:59	Cutman	Note Added: 0000421
2010-10-17 15:01	user35	Note Added: 0000422
2010-10-17 15:01	Anonymous	Note Deleted: 0000403
2010-10-17 15:16	Torr Samaho	Note Added: 0000423
2010-10-17 15:16	Torr Samaho	Status	feedback => resolved
2010-10-17 15:16	Torr Samaho	Resolution	open => fixed
2012-06-09 13:22	Torr Samaho	Category	General => Bug
2018-09-30 22:51	Blzut3	Status	resolved => closed

Notes
(0000358) Dark-Assassin (administrator) 2010-10-14 08:02	Oops, Not linux, all OS. Derp

(0000359) unknownna (updater) 2010-10-14 08:17 edited on: 2010-10-14 08:18	Looks like the projectile is stuck in a 3dMidtex in the first three pictures. Similar to this: 'http://skulltag.net/tracker/view.php?id=91 [^]' 'http://skulltag.net/tracker/view.php?id=95 [^]'

(0000360) Dark-Assassin (administrator) 2010-10-14 08:19	kk, then what about the projectile fountain particles failing to reach death state when hit by player online on 98d? Is that pretty much the same?

(0000366) unknownna (updater) 2010-10-15 08:11 edited on: 2010-10-15 08:40	Does this happen in 98c? If it doesn't, it might be a side effect from this fix: 'http://www.skulltag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=341297#p341297 [^]'

(0000368) unknownna (updater) 2010-10-15 13:49 edited on: 2010-10-15 13:53	You're right. I tried a map in "Zombie HORDE" (zm03: Snowy Town Panic), which uses a snow spawner effect. From the looks of it, most of the snow projectiles get stuck in floors next to walls. So this means that they collide with something before getting stuck. This collision with walls/actors is perhaps what causes the projectiles to stay. This is something that definitely needs to be fixed before an official 98d release. After a few minutes, the FPS drop becomes so huge that it becomes unplayable. I made an example WAD. Host it on a local server. No ping emulation needed. EDIT: Added a screenshot. This is how the side effect looks like in-game.

(0000372) Cutman (reporter) 2010-10-15 15:20	This is exactly the same problem as this one I posted'http://skulltag.net/tracker/view.php?id=95 [^]' (which hasn't been commented on yet) Also happens with certain weapon projectiles. I haven't tested this yet, but could this be something to do with unlagged?

(0000375) unknownna (updater) 2010-10-15 20:16 edited on: 2010-10-15 20:39	This issue was introduced between r2940 and r2947: 'http://www.dailydoomer.com/tsst/misc/SkullDev98dRocketFixTest.7z [^]' 'http://www.dailydoomer.com/tsst/misc/SkullDev98d-2947windows.7z [^]' 1. r2940: Projectiles no longer die upon contact with walls. 2. r2947: Projectiles start to get stuck in floors/ceilings/3dMidtex after contact with walls/actors. This was when Torr fixed the issues with projectiles exploding, but not dealing any damage.

(0000384) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2010-10-17 08:03	Please test if this fixes the issue.

(0000391) TIHan (reporter) 2010-10-17 10:25 edited on: 2010-10-17 10:30	This seems to have fixed the issue with projectiles getting stuck, as far as my testing is concerned. I managed to get some enemies firing projectiles to where they would hit the ceiling and they never got stuck. Also, the fountain particles seem to be disappearing now instead of being stuck. However, there seems to be another issue with those fountains in Stronghold and I think it might be related to this. Edit: Tested the snow_projectile_stuck_test.wad, the snow particles disappear like they should. 'http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8638/2981multiplayer.jpg [^]' This image here is 2981 on a multiplayer game. Running Stronghold, I walk over a fountain and look straight down. Notice the white dot. I believe it keeps spawning these particles in that one spot when it is not supposed to. If you let it do this, your framerate is toast throughout the level until you reconnect or go to a different map. 'http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/3831/2981singleplayer.jpg [^]' This image here is 2981 on a singleplayer game. Running Stronghold, I walk over a fountain and look straight down. You will notice the particles don't keep spawning in that one spot and my framerate does not drop at all.

(0000392) unknownna (updater) 2010-10-17 10:26	Seems to have fixed the issues in the example WAD and the issues that I noticed in "Megaman 8-Bit DM" I'd like to hear opinions from Cutman and dark-slayer-201 about the latter though. However, the snow spawners in "Zombie HORDE" behave differently. They jerk a little just before hitting the ground. But it also happens offline. I can see that the DECORATE code is modified, not stock from Realm667.com. Ok, it also happens offline in 98c so I think that it's a user error in the DECORATE code.

(0000395) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2010-10-17 11:07	The Stronghold fountain issue seems to be unrelated to the other issues since it also happens in 98c.

(0000399) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2010-10-17 11:18	Can somebody check how the Stronghold fountain is implemented? Or even better create a minimal example wad for this?

(0000401) unknownna (updater) 2010-10-17 12:05	Done. It seems like the water projectiles don't die when you run over the fountains. It indeed also happens online in 98c.

(0000405) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2010-10-17 13:32	Thanks for the example wad, it was really helpful! This should fix the Stronghold fountain problems.

(0000407) Cutman (reporter) 2010-10-17 13:51	I tried this with my projectile issues and it seems to have fixed them. Thanks! Another weird bug has cropped up due to this fix though. Projectiles (and perhaps other things like monsters) don't seem to be subject to the map's gravity set via MAPINFO 'http://www.sendspace.com/file/7ssz9c [^]' In this test map, grenades will appear to use regular gravity to the client, but are in fact not. Try to aim a grenade at the wall to bounce back at you, usually you'll find it does not damage you (because really it's subject to the MAPINFO gravity) Note that this does not happen when the gravity is changed via ACS!

(0000408) unknownna (updater) 2010-10-17 14:01 edited on: 2010-10-17 14:01	No problem. Glad to help. From what I see, the Stronghold fountain problems have been fixed.

(0000409) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2010-10-17 14:02	The grenade issue seems to be unrelated to the other issues, it already happens in build 2938.

(0000410) Cutman (reporter) 2010-10-17 14:07	Shall I make another report so you can close this one?

(0000412) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2010-10-17 14:19	I think I already figured out what's causing the gravity problems, so another report hopefully won't be necessary. Please test if this fixes the gravity issues.

(0000417) Cutman (reporter) 2010-10-17 14:36	Nice job, that's fixed it!

(0000420) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2010-10-17 14:45	Alright, so I can assume that everything reported here is fixed, right?

(0000421) Cutman (reporter) 2010-10-17 14:59	You got my thumbs up!

(0000422) user35 2010-10-17 15:01	Seems like everything is fixed now

(0000423) Torr Samaho (administrator) 2010-10-17 15:16	Alright :).