What personal attacks are you talking about?Dynamo wrote:Well, what was once a thread about changes to Best-Ever has turned into a circle jerk filled with personal attacks against other people who don't even have anything to do with BE. I appreciate the work and money Jenova has put into providing a service for the community over the years, but now I have to ask if this wasn't all along an ill-conceived effort to gain diplomatic immunity and force the staff to do what he wants. Because that's literally what he's doing here, using best-ever as a blackmail tool/leverage to get his way. Unsure if that would have been enough, he has been mass highlighting and PMing people on IRC to support his cause. This makes me question whether anybody who comes in here to defend his views wasn't asked by him beforehand.
Honestly, the only thing I'm seeing here is an attempt to cause a fracture within the community solely because of stupid grudges and for someone's vanity. Is this really worth starting a debacle over?
Why, because the staff isn't following jenova's commands word-by-word? Fortunately the staff isn't a hivemind that complies with jenova's every wish.waterflame wrote:Zandronum needs a total purge of staff and have new staffmembers. I personally feel that the current staff for Zandronum is biased towards some persons, and as shown in this thread, everyone starts shittalking everyone.
Then get out of this thread and stop wasting our time?waterflame wrote:keep in mind, I absolutely don’t give a shit about who is staff and who isn’t, and who is in what clan.
How did anybody prove anyone else right, exactly? Jenova addressed some people in his post that answered to his accusations. If you were accused on a thread by whoever, wouldn't you try to make a post to explain your positions? What the hell kind of logic (if any) are you even following?waterflame wrote:I think that jenova’s post pretty much hits bulls-eye. You all just went to prove that Jenova is right for most of what he said.
To recap your post, it has been "jenova is right because people answered his topic" (oh wow I didn't know people should've refrained from posting to prove someone wrong), "I actually don't give a shit about any of the situation here but I'm gonna make a pointless post anyway" and "if you ban me it's because you can't accept critique" (why would anybody waste their time banning you anyway?). Go back to building sand castles on the beach. Or actually go back to idling on IRC, this is only your second post on the forums since 2013 and you're probably one of those Jenova asked to answer to this thread in his defense. Are you sure you're not part of the hivemind you so strongly criticize?
The staff isn't a hivemind. They don't need to follow my orders. I am hoping that they listen with open ears to what I had to say regarding this issue.
To the people who think I didn't have any influence in the community before BE, that is just an extremely stupid thing to say. You can think that it was an ill-conceived effort, but why in God's name would I wait 4 years to simply state my dissatisfaction with the staff? Do you think I set up BE as some elaborate scheme to threaten A3 and waited 4 years to do so?
Generally, Mobius' arguments go as follows:
1. You can't ban me for what I did in the past
2. "Yeah, but you were an asshole too! You should also be banned!"
Seriously, when I have people who hate me in this topic coming and agreeing with me, who do you think is right? I have no problems if Mobius wants to start a "Jenova is a shitty person and should be banned from the community" thread but we all know that's going to go nowhere because I believe the level of mischief and drama he has caused is tenfold more than I have.
My whole post boils down to like three important points that somehow everyone has missed:
1. Certain staff members are afraid to ban Mobius (I would post a quote from a staff member here that literally proves my point but Mifu has told me not to)
2. Razgriz didn't hand out an appropriate punishment for Mobius'/Avc issue -- he didn't even hand out a punishment at all until after I brought it up in #staff. This is not a lie, please check for yourself. I BELIEVE, IN MY OPINION that this is because Mobius and Strangle are good friends, and that Strangle is extremely biased. Notice how when I called Strangle a shitty admin, I had Mobius join a minute later and start ragging on me?
3. Mobius has historically been banned many times in the past for the same type of shit he got banned 2 days ago for. I am not saying he should be banned because of something he did 2 or 3 years ago, but I believe that should be taken into consideration when deciding on future punishments. A ban works twofold -- one is for the reformation of the offender, and the other is a sense of "justice" in the community. Has Mobius reformed? Do you genuinely believe that he is a better person now than he was three years ago when he was banned or whatever? If you do think so then you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but my post is generally leaning the other way.
Mobius will try to spin this into something it's not, and I'm actually quite disappointed that people are agreeing with it. He will say "well, R hates A3, so it's obvious they want us banned!". I like to think of myself as a reasonable and just person who just also happens to generally be an asshole and was strongly disliked by the majority of the community at one point. I have banned 50% of my clan for weeks at a time because they have broken the rules. Rustking banned Ral for 15 minutes for votekick abusing Caboose, and Caboose had to literally message me to complain about it because it obviously wasn't fair. A 15 minute ban for votekicking literally does nothing because Ral just came into an empty server and votekicked Caboose, then promptly left right after, probably to go take a shit or eat or something. What kind of justice is this? This is what I refer to when I say they are extremely biased.
After starting this topic and the recent drama on IRC, I have had people private message me telling me that they completely agree with me but generally didn't want to get into the drama. Obviously this isn't a popularity contest, and I hope the staff don't see it as one and simply agree with Mobius or myself because we have 20 friends who will drown out the voice of reason with excuses.
I also want to point out that I don't believe Mobius should be permanently banned because I believe permanent bans are stupid and only encourage resentment, hatred, and general negativity. I am not going to sit here and explain to you every single thing he has done in the past that he should be banned for today, because obviously he has already been banned for those reasons. But I strongly believe that his recent past actions should be taken into consideration. I mean, he was permanently banned in 2012 and then evaded twice and then was unbanned. Now he is banned again. Now Mifu is telling me he will be permanently banned next time. Am I seriously supposed to sit here and believe this?