Should Mobius be Unbanned from the Forums?

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Should Mobius be Unbanned from the Forums?

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Post by Decay » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:44 am

Topic title says it all. Should Mobius be unbanned from the Zandronum forums?

Undoubtedly Mobius is one of the more dubious characters of the community. However, if we look at the reasons he was banned from the forums, we can actually call this decision into question.

It is well known that many of the old and current forum administration have a strong dislike for Mobius. It is so bad that infurnus remarked once he could not even figure out how to undo the ban Metal set on him. Infurnus actually told Mobius to make a new account back in 2013, which was subsequently rebanned for "ban evasion" despite infurnus giving the go ahead.

Here is his ban on the list:
Mobius - inflammatory posting, constant ignoring of rules and warnings from moderators and administrators alike - November 5 2012 – Permanent

However, let’s look at the final posts that Mobius was banned over. Hell let’s look at his post history full stop:

http://zandronum.com/forum/search.php?a ... 0b097a532e

Do you see anything that warrants permanent bans? There is nothing here. We see more harmful and trollish posts from a variety of other users almost daily. The recent NXW clan thread is a good example.

Let’s look at comparison to another forum user, Dr. Noob. This guy is a notorious troll and does literally nothing for the community except annoy it. But hey, he was friends with Cyber and Metal, so this is what we get:

<@HeavenWraith> hey guys, what about we g-line edd
<@HeavenWraith> frankly I'm fed up with all the stuff he does
<@Qent> what why
<@infurnus> #staff
<@infurnus> well, he does troll
<@Cyber> that's a harmless line
<@infurnus> I can't say I'm against the g-line
<@infurnus> but I say ban him after he does something more severe
<@infurnus> we can't do like we did with mobius

http://zandronum.com/forum/search.php?a ... 75cce9a123

Certain troll members continually got a pass for ridiculous trolls while Mobius was targeted for punishment.

If we look at it, we actually see that Mobius was permanently banned for posting harmless content in his own clan thread. This makes literally no sense. Let’s look at the explanation of the trashing and subsequent suspension: http://pastebin.com/T6wBMajK

Truth be told, Mobius’ ban was actually a permanent suspension that was quietly changed to a ban. Nonetheless, this is what we have: “you can’t post content in your own thread, go to your own forums.” That is a really shitty attitude to have. I have a bunch of other examples where Metal specifically targets Mobius for punishment due to bad blood created by the A3 vs PRO rivalry.

We can also compare his ban and punishment to those of others, such as Sgt Mark, and Mr Cheater who were banned for two years instead of permanently. What about Capo? Check out the posting history of these guys:

http://zandronum.com/forum/search.php?a ... 80fc8ba2c8
http://zandronum.com/forum/search.php?a ... 9b0b99505b
http://zandronum.com/forum/search.php?a ... 31964e7b9e Capo account
http://zandronum.com/forum/search.php?a ... aa97e4ed92 another capo account

There is a real vitriolic attitude towards the community in these posts. This kind of toxicity is actually not present in Mobius’ posts. If Mr. Cheater and Sgt Mark IV can be released, I don’t see why Mobius can’t be released as well.


Post your opinions, thoughts, etc. Keep it civil, and try not to intentionally derail the thread please.

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Post by -_- » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:56 am

Whats the problem to unban mobius when razgriz become a foum admin?

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Post by Ru5tK1ng » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:57 am

Strangle isn't admin. Please review the Moderation Team for proper roles for each member.
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Post by Decay » Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:58 am

-_- wrote: Whats the problem to unban mobius when razgriz become a foum admin?
I apologize for this. I meant to post this earlier in the week but other things took priority. This has nothing to do with Razgriz regaining global mod status.

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Post by -_- » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:09 am

Uh ok then a things become a little bit harder.
In my opinion pernament bans only for some "bad" and "trolling" posts is too much.
I think pernament bans should be only for people who spamming, flooding, and creating fake accounts.

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Post by Catastrophe » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:09 am

Yeah Infurnus was a complete dick and seemed to be upset about not understanding inside-jokes in a fucking clan thread. Infurnus' ban was obviously biased so unban Mobius.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:35 am

Infurnus didn't ban Mobius.

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Post by Cyber' » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:05 am

I'm confused...in your links it shows Mobius as unbanned, and Edd is currently banned instead of the reverse.
Likewise I see him browsing around as we speak.

This is irrelevant though as I am a retired old man, but if he's been off for the duration of at least a year, then there shouldn't be a problem with his return.

Edit - turns out it was done at the same time of this post, ignore this.
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Post by Ru5tK1ng » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:07 am

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Post by mifu » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:09 am

Oh, thats because I actually unbanned him. After much discussion regarding this we agreed it has been too long. We decided to unban him based on this.

If theres any questions, feel free to PM me. Thanks!
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Post by Samurai » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:58 am

Good decision Mifu. He's been banned for far too long in my opinion.

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Post by The Toxic Avenger » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:38 pm

Cyber wrote: I'm confused...in your links it shows Mobius as unbanned, and Edd is currently banned instead of the reverse.
The Edd one was me, and more recently. He made another account and was circumventing his moderation

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Post by Ænima » Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:39 pm

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22,000 views in 9 hours? Can't argue with that kind of support.


Anyways I think he should be unbanned like everyone else that's done their time.
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Post by Cyber' » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:50 pm

The Toxic Avenger wrote:
The Edd one was me, and more recently. He made another account and was circumventing his moderation
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Post by Decay » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:13 pm

Honest to god you guys are fucking retarded. Did you even read this?

"Mobius - inflammatory posting, constant ignoring of rules and warnings from moderators and administrators alike - November 5 2012 – Permanent"

Or read Mifu's post?

Or take even 1 second to consider this thread was made to question the ban, which was revoked after the thread was posted? Go back to school. Even basic math could help. 1 + 1 = 2. Simple logical conclusion. I'm not going to post a thread asking for mods to unban someone who isn't banned. Seriously. Go to the doctor and ask them if mr. brain is at home, because I'm not convinced.

Mods, lock thread please. Purpose has been served and obviously many users here are too brain dead to follow simple events.
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Post by Razgriz » Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:20 pm

At the time of this topic, Mobius was banned but after a bit of discussion it has been decided to let Mobius roam free (to the probable disappointment of many). Thread will be locked, so stay tuned for the next Decay thread where he lobbies for the unban of Capo!
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