Alright. I was just fine with being diplomatic with you over the discussions and all, yet after everything you go out of the way to denigrate us? Well, dear community, let me share the actual story, in the fullest of all forms, right here:
There's no "Person A" here, instead it was the three of us who contacted Torr initially about our concerns. These are not new concerns, you and your staff had been behaving inconsistently judgement appeared to be based on personal vendettas and emotions and whatnot instead of attempting to be objective or, hell, open to both sides of any story given. And I would like to emphatize that all we did was voice concerns, we did not blackmail or threaten anyone. We did not do anything against the rules or anything to harm anyone for that matter. Unless disagreeing is considered a bad thing.
Wrong. There was person A, and fuck it, that person A was HW. Who initially went to Torr himself (I have logs of him saying that it was him and Torr initially.) "WE think your staff has been behaving inconsistently" Is probably what you meant to say. It was who? you, Dynamo, HW and...VP? Anyone else in your justice league? I'm pretty sure VP didn't really chime in on a whole lot. You didn't even just 'voice' concerns, you went over everyone's head (In staff) and decided to take it upon yourself to bug Torr about it. Torr had already had plans for the staff to begin with, which was to level out power among the staff. He voiced this not too long ago.
Not only that but you did not seem to exactly be on top of your issues either. Not able to warn people because "you could not find the warn button".
This was a glitch or bug on the forums. How is this not being on top of all the issues if it was in the process of being fixed?
Unable to keep some cheater banned because you were too lazy to whitelist people who were caught in range or getting around it somehow.
Let's review with this "developer" on what makes it difficult to ban people. Oh yes, IP banning! Why don't you go back to your corner and fix that. Lazy? Hardly, I did a lot here, and I whitelisted everyone who came in. I also don't have 24 hours in the day to spend on this port. Unless you wanna pay me to do it. If it's so bad, do it yourself.
Konar6 had this neat system for whitelisting people for the longest of times and you never thought of implementing it for the masterserver whitelist?
Who would do that? No one else thought of the idea. No one else even brought it to my attention. Until you, right now. This is why you come to me about issues, not Torr. Christ.
Or the countless of times there was some troublemaker in #zandronum and you were debating in #stmods what the fuck to do about for half an hour before coming to the slightest of actions. Or making threads and threads worth of clearly cut rules (when in fact common sense covers by far most of these rules) which were not even being applied consistently, so you get the worst of both worlds, strict, subjectively applied rules. Or going about demoting/removing your staff without any prior discussion and instating members like WaTaKiD without anyone even having the slightest clue that he even was made staff in the first place. It did not exactly seem like your team was rolling around very smoothy. No offense to WaTaKiD, I think he's got great potential to be an excellent masterserver admin.
We wanted to make sure we made the right decisions on bans, and sometimes people had questions about it and yeah, that's why there was a channel there for that. You know, staff discussion. but hell, you wouldn't know anything about that. You expect all the staff to be robotic. A whole unit working as one complete work of perfection. You're out of your mind if you think that is ever going to happen.
WaTaKid, I seen potential in. He was working IRC pretty well as well as having an unbiased opinion on everyone. Probably didn't think of that, did you? Nah, you just see the bad before you try and see the good in anything. The staff was actually perfectly fine before I stepped down as well. I just came down because I knew people like you were bothering Torr with this nonsense. But it's nice that after I finally step down, you make a point to come to me NOW about your issues...Instead of you know, holding it back and blowing up about it. But hey, what do I know!
As a result of this all was a massive rift between staff and community which kind of left both sides feeling bitter towards each other and assuming the worst of each other. "it's always some mxu or a3 conspiracy". Does that sound familiar? Or the other side accusing staff of covering spak's ass up when they were causing shitstorms around here. I'm still not certain this was not the case, either. And it seemed infurnus was caught in this as well despite actively trying to make things better. Not to mention the fact that you appeared to catch backlash no matter what you did? While it's no lie that trying to change things always will piss someone off, I have no doubt a lot of conflicts were caused by this painful separation between the staff and community. I think I discussed about this #stmods at one point and gave some ideas to ease things up, but to no avail. And this dissonance is why I figured to stop coming to #stmods and also why HeavenWraith resigned and his thread subsequently caught Torr Samaho's attention.
What massive rift...I see a few edgy people here and there, but the whole community seems to mind their bees wax and play the game. small handful of people out of the 200+ active members that play, and you guys think you speak for them all. You don't. Yep, MXU and A3 sound familiar because they are constantly annoyed with staff. Maybe if your friends stopped acting like retards around here you wouldn't have anything to complain about. I've seen maybe 3 or 4 people accuse us of 'covering spaks ass'. I never see spak on IRC, very rarely the forums, and yep, I hung out with them on TS. Oh christ, watch out, Metal, Cyber and Ruin hanging out with spak! They MUST be giving them special treatment. What a retarded thing to think.
Anyway, there was nothing huge between staff and the community. Just people who got warned and couldn't handle it making staff reform threads, people getting banned who break the rules constantly, and other people complaining that their friends got banned.
So we all met in private to discuss things and while doing so, yes, we did try to come up with a properly working system for staff to work with. No, we were not demanding anything, we were thinking about suggestions about how to improve things with staff considering you were struggling with community PR like that (note the rift I already mentioned). Torr came up with that separation of powers idea and he figured to post it on the staff forums. Personally, I thought the system was unnecessarily complex. A properly structured and communicating staff team would easily be able to deal with whatever without needing any complex setups. As for "him never hearing the other side of the story", we had enough logs to clearly state the issue exactly how it was. So he got both sides of the story at the same time.
Torr had previously mentioned the separation of powers before. He even mentioned a group of people who could neutrally make decisions on the staff or something of the sort. Hopefully it's not you guys.
Over time we also discussed with Vicious Pariah and Wartorn (who are the very hosts and thus still staff) and eventually figured to bring our concerns to infurnus, which we did, in fact, so don't go around spreading FUD that we did not talk to any staff members, as a matter of fact we talked with one of the very administrators. During our meet-up, infurnus contacted you about our concerns, I'm not sure exactly what he said but then all of the sudden you resign and, well, better off that way. So we meet up with the rest of #stmods to discuss things further, essentially ditch the separation of powers idea and come up with the current leadership idea. Ruin and Qent were not present to the meeting simply because they were not around at the time and everybody else was. Which brings us to the present day.
I like how this small group of people who mean fuck all, decide what's good for staff. I'm glad I left. I'd rather people who have a completely unbiased opinion and less of a bitching factor to decide what happens. But hey, you guys call the shots now! That's probably what you wanted anyway, right?
So yes, very shady business indeed. Yes, we did discuss in private (because well, this kinda stuff is usually discussed in private). But nobody of us demanded anything. You resigned by yourself in what I figure was a fit of emotional distress (which further reinforces that you are not fit for staff position, nevermind administratorship..) and now you're bitter that you did so and try to make your way back in. You're actively flaming us for doing what we figured was the best for the community.
I don't know about everybody else here but let me ask you this: what kind of administrator ragequits lead adminship in a fit of emotion, only to try to get back in, in order to what I presume is to feel important. I'd say, a particularly selfish one who cannot seem to be able to make rational decisions. If you really seem to think you're so untouchable and that us voicing concerns to other people automatically makes us "backstabbers", I can only say having you off your gold-plated throne will only make things better for the community. Good riddance.
I'll bite. Cause you know what? I just don't care anymore. It's people like you who make it not even worth it anymore. So here goes:
You went over mine, infurnus and Ruins head to complain to Torr that staff are shitty, pretty much the idea here. We had no idea that there were these big bad issues because nobody came to us. Rather yet, you never spoke to me about it, Dusk. You had problems with me and never ever once tried to PM me about it. Even with my countless "You guys can talk to me, don't bite" efforts. This is all on you and your 'group'. You went behind our backs to get what you wanted because you thought I wouldn't listen. You ASSUMED I wouldn't. And now here we are because of your disregard for the fact that I am, human, Ruin is human, Infurnus is human. Because we made a few small mistakes (Yep, small), you took it upon yourself to try and fix things yourself. You didn't fix it, because now it's worse than it was.
Now here's the kicker. "what I figure was a fit of emotional distress (which further reinforces that you are not fit for staff position, nevermind administratorship..)and now you're bitter that you did so and try to make your way back in."
May I ask what level of psychology you're taking? Honestly, are you able to presume that based on how I talk online? Again, with the rumors and yes, fud. Also, what? Where am I trying to make my way back in? What the hell, I've clearly stated many times on this forum and even on IRC when people have asked "Metal are you coming back" "Not to be an admin".
? Where are you getting this information?
what kind of administrator ragequits lead adminship in a fit of emotion, only to try to get back in, in order to what I presume is to feel important.
Again, with the assumptions. I didn't quit in a fit of emotion, I actually have a log of it, and if infurnus doesn't mind, I'd love to share how calm everything was when it happened. You're delusional as hell if you think that I'm some crazy bitch flailing my limbs, quitting in a fit of rage and then begging to get back in.
I think we really know who the sick one is here. Please, keep your rumors and bullcrap to yourself and your group. I'm not up to hearing it.