All Out War II: X -R8: Now with Rhinos, Lightning Troopers, and more!

[AOW2 Feedback Giver]

So far:

• Conveniently, Dave's AOW2.1 server on [BE]Montreal disappears leaving only this one and some grandvoid servers. Nope, not suspicious at all.
• SSG buffed immensely for a pathetic boost in price. It's to the point even people who don't bitch about the SSG are all "WHAT THE FUCK" when I kill them from a pretty decent distance with it, and it still overpowers far more expensive classes. Did you decide to break the tie in the poll by using personal bias or what? If it wasn't broken before, it is now!
• Tib harvest drones: less "team game", more "me me me me me" now. They're pretty fucking picky about where they want to be placed in tib fields too.
• Util no longer needs ammo to make shit? Great! What's that? They still can't pick anything up for some reason? You still can't so much as get a health pack because one person bitched about the rare c4 spam (that only ever happened in very rare circumstances on Dave's server, when the victim team was too bad to pay attention to shit - oh wait! Even then, it was a stealth that picked up a util crate!) on the forums? People are getting stuck/bugged out and losing the ability to build things? There's no UI indicator to tell you while you're building where you are in relation to the item limit?
• Now the HUD for building health et. al. doesn't update! Fantastic.
• Free laser class is so useless the game's system registers the handgun as higher priority than the laser pistol thing! Other new laser classes seem useless as well, such as : the lightning class with less attack range than a shotgun, shock cannon that doesn't seem to even tickle the target unless it's a direct hit, and some other thing.
• Rhino mech: was this even tested? At all? It doesn't have a death state and just stands there for a while before the body cleanup algorithm runs, while the console vomits a "player sprite has no next state while current state has expire time!" message.
• Let's call back to the point where Dave's AOW2.1 server with sound pack mysteriously disappears so this one can get the limelight. Conveniently a day or two after snesxboxyoshi pops into that server, tries to advertise this version, and precisely no one migrates over. "Forgive" me if I find that more than a little suspicious.

[Ijon Tichy]

I can safely tell you there is no conspiracy to drop specific AOW servers on Best-Ever. Quite frankly, we don't give enough of a damn to do so.

[Catastrophe]

[*]Conveniently, Dave's AOW2.1 server on [BE]Montreal disappears leaving only this one and some grandvoid servers. Nope, not suspicious at all.

2014-07-26 13:17:39 <BestBot> 15022 has been running for 4 days 10 hours 53 minutes and 32 second(s).

[*]SSG buffed immensely for a pathetic boost in price. It's to the point even people who don't bitch about the SSG are all "WHAT THE FUCK" when I kill them from a pretty decent distance with it, and it still overpowers far more expensive classes. Did you decide to break the tie in the poll by using personal bias or what? If it wasn't broken before, it is now!

SSG is getting buffed to vanilla doom and its' price increased. (Of the 7 people that voted "other", 6 wanted the SSG price increased and/or buffed)

Not a tie.

[*]Tib harvest drones: less "team game", more "me me me me me" now. They're pretty fucking picky about where they want to be placed in tib fields too.

Picky? How so.

[*]Let's call back to the point where Dave's AOW2.1 server with sound pack mysteriously disappears so this one can get the limelight. Conveniently a day or two after snesxboxyoshi pops into that server, tries to advertise this version, and precisely no one migrates over. "Forgive" me if I find that more than a little suspicious.

So you think I sent snesboxyoshi to Dave's server just to take players away? That's cute. You should realize I've actually banned snesboxyoshi from my server multiple times for trolling his own base. And I don't even talk to him, so uhh yeah.

Also, I recall from my logs someone named "Toxiq" came into my server just to get people to play Dave's serv where nobody followed him either. But do I try to stir shit up for it? No. I don't give a fuck, let people play what they want.

I am expecting an apology for false accusations, thank you.

[ARGENTVM]

So far:

• Conveniently, Dave's AOW2.1 server on [BE]Montreal disappears leaving only this one and some grandvoid servers. Nope, not suspicious at all.
• SSG buffed immensely for a pathetic boost in price. It's to the point even people who don't bitch about the SSG are all "WHAT THE FUCK" when I kill them from a pretty decent distance with it, and it still overpowers far more expensive classes. Did you decide to break the tie in the poll by using personal bias or what? If it wasn't broken before, it is now!
• Tib harvest drones: less "team game", more "me me me me me" now. They're pretty fucking picky about where they want to be placed in tib fields too.
• Util no longer needs ammo to make shit? Great! What's that? They still can't pick anything up for some reason? You still can't so much as get a health pack because one person bitched about the rare c4 spam (that only ever happened in very rare circumstances on Dave's server, when the victim team was too bad to pay attention to shit - oh wait! Even then, it was a stealth that picked up a util crate!) on the forums? People are getting stuck/bugged out and losing the ability to build things? There's no UI indicator to tell you while you're building where you are in relation to the item limit?
• Now the HUD for building health et. al. doesn't update! Fantastic.
• Free laser class is so useless the game's system registers the handgun as higher priority than the laser pistol thing! Other new laser classes seem useless as well, such as : the lightning class with less attack range than a shotgun, shock cannon that doesn't seem to even tickle the target unless it's a direct hit, and some other thing.
• Rhino mech: was this even tested? At all? It doesn't have a death state and just stands there for a while before the body cleanup algorithm runs, while the console vomits a "player sprite has no next state while current state has expire time!" message.
• Let's call back to the point where Dave's AOW2.1 server with sound pack mysteriously disappears so this one can get the limelight. Conveniently a day or two after snesxboxyoshi pops into that server, tries to advertise this version, and precisely no one migrates over. "Forgive" me if I find that more than a little suspicious.

Why so aggressive on bug reporting? Even then, if the B.E. Server was ever down, it was probably due to the host taking it down himself for wad management, etc.

I can safely tell you there is no conspiracy to drop specific AOW servers on Best-Ever. Quite frankly, we don't give enough of a damn to do so.

All Out Watergate.

[Ivan]

So far:

• Conveniently, Dave's AOW2.1 server on [BE]Montreal disappears leaving only this one and some grandvoid servers. Nope, not suspicious at all.
• SSG buffed immensely for a pathetic boost in price. It's to the point even people who don't bitch about the SSG are all "WHAT THE FUCK" when I kill them from a pretty decent distance with it, and it still overpowers far more expensive classes. Did you decide to break the tie in the poll by using personal bias or what? If it wasn't broken before, it is now!
• Tib harvest drones: less "team game", more "me me me me me" now. They're pretty fucking picky about where they want to be placed in tib fields too.
• Util no longer needs ammo to make shit? Great! What's that? They still can't pick anything up for some reason? You still can't so much as get a health pack because one person bitched about the rare c4 spam (that only ever happened in very rare circumstances on Dave's server, when the victim team was too bad to pay attention to shit - oh wait! Even then, it was a stealth that picked up a util crate!) on the forums? People are getting stuck/bugged out and losing the ability to build things? There's no UI indicator to tell you while you're building where you are in relation to the item limit?
• Now the HUD for building health et. al. doesn't update! Fantastic.
• Free laser class is so useless the game's system registers the handgun as higher priority than the laser pistol thing! Other new laser classes seem useless as well, such as : the lightning class with less attack range than a shotgun, shock cannon that doesn't seem to even tickle the target unless it's a direct hit, and some other thing.
• Rhino mech: was this even tested? At all? It doesn't have a death state and just stands there for a while before the body cleanup algorithm runs, while the console vomits a "player sprite has no next state while current state has expire time!" message.
• Let's call back to the point where Dave's AOW2.1 server with sound pack mysteriously disappears so this one can get the limelight. Conveniently a day or two after snesxboxyoshi pops into that server, tries to advertise this version, and precisely no one migrates over. "Forgive" me if I find that more than a little suspicious.

Why so aggressive on bug reporting? Even then, if the B.E. Server was ever down, it was probably due to the host taking it down himself for wad management, etc.

Yeah, but who the hell is this guy anyway? Some AoW fanboy who is sad to see the old version go, only because he now can't abuse his favorite overpowered tactics. This is the kind of people that irritates me the most in this community. IMO Catastrophe should hardly ever pay attention to anything you say except the actual bugs.

[AOW2 Feedback Giver]

Why so aggressive on bug reporting? Even then, if the B.E. Server was ever down, it was probably due to the host taking it down himself for wad management, etc.

Yeah, but who the hell is this guy anyway? Some AoW fanboy who is sad to see the old version go, only because he now can't abuse his favorite overpowered tactics. This is the kind of people that irritates me the most in this community. IMO Catastrophe should hardly ever pay attention to anything you say except the actual bugs.

That's hilarious, considering the "favorite overpowered tactics" are voting for Renegade ad nauseum and using the weapon that's stronger than every class that costs more cash and gets buffed anyway. Oh, I'm soooo sure the team-player class called util was sooooo overpowered before, being able to heal and whatnot. Who the fuck are you anyway? I mean, if that's supposed to be a legitimate rebuttal to criticism it's a two way street, m8.

Aggression comes from seeing a once-great mod going down a shit route involving worsening the aspects that were already bad about the mod, and the shitting up of what was good about it, and made it not Just Another Doom Mod. Right now it's feeling less like a team objective-based game and more like a 90 minute TDM SSG-fest with some glitz and glamour tossed about. Especially since when this branch first started, it had good potential.

[*]Conveniently, Dave's AOW2.1 server on [BE]Montreal disappears leaving only this one and some grandvoid servers. Nope, not suspicious at all.

2014-07-26 13:17:39 <BestBot> 15022 has been running for 4 days 10 hours 53 minutes and 32 second(s).

Shit ain't' showing up in IDE. If some other server browser displays it that's the problem right there.

[*]SSG buffed immensely for a pathetic boost in price. It's to the point even people who don't bitch about the SSG are all "WHAT THE FUCK" when I kill them from a pretty decent distance with it, and it still overpowers far more expensive classes. Did you decide to break the tie in the poll by using personal bias or what? If it wasn't broken before, it is now!

SSG is getting buffed to vanilla doom and its' price increased. (Of the 7 people that voted "other", 6 wanted the SSG price increased and/or buffed)


Not a tie.

http://i.imgur.com/LkRqZnE.png
notatie.jpg

[*]Tib harvest drones: less "team game", more "me me me me me" now. They're pretty fucking picky about where they want to be placed in tib fields too.


Picky? How so.

Try placing it in tib field either while inside tib field or on outside edges, have to press the button repeatedly before the drone decides it wants to go down, even if every location it was attempted to be placed in was inside the tib field anyway. Not to mention the need to double-press like you're arming a nuke leads to some accidental dropping c4 on top of your harvesteres.

[*]Let's call back to the point where Dave's AOW2.1 server with sound pack mysteriously disappears so this one can get the limelight. Conveniently a day or two after snesxboxyoshi pops into that server, tries to advertise this version, and precisely no one migrates over. "Forgive" me if I find that more than a little suspicious.

So you think I sent snesboxyoshi to Dave's server just to take players away? That's cute. You should realize I've actually banned snesboxyoshi from my server multiple times for trolling his own base. And I don't even talk to him, so uhh yeah.

Also, I recall from my logs someone named "Toxiq" came into my server just to get people to play Dave's serv where nobody followed him either. But do I try to stir shit up for it? No. I don't give a fuck, let people play what they want.

I am expecting an apology for false accusations, thank you.

let's play: extrapolate meanings and accusations where there were none then demand public apologies

Never said nor implied you sent the kid. Just said he tried and failed to advertise it, and a few days later the good server ain't showing up in IDE for me. Never accused sabotage either, just said it was suspicious the server stopped showing up as soon as this one gets released. Maybe I ought to demand an apology from YOU for YOUR false accusations of false accusations! But I won't because demanding apologies in a place where everyone's anon is kind of retarded.

[Catastrophe]

[*]Conveniently, Dave's AOW2.1 server on [BE]Montreal disappears leaving only this one and some grandvoid servers. Nope, not suspicious at all.

2014-07-26 13:17:39 <BestBot> 15022 has been running for 4 days 10 hours 53 minutes and 32 second(s).

Shit ain't' showing up in IDE. If some other server browser displays it that's the problem right there.

So it's somehow my fault it doesn't show up on IDE? How come I am using IDE just as you are and it shows up? If you can't see it you're probably banned.

http://i.imgur.com/LkRqZnE.png
notatie.jpg

(Of the 7 people that voted "other", 6 wanted the SSG price increased and/or buffed)

Try placing it in tib field either while inside tib field or on outside edges, have to press the button repeatedly before the drone decides it wants to go down, even if every location it was attempted to be placed in was inside the tib field anyway. Not to mention the need to double-press like you're arming a nuke leads to some accidental dropping c4 on top of your harvesteres.

Hmm, I haven't tested this under high ping. For now just try not to place it near the edges while I figure this out.

let's play: extrapolate meanings and accusations where there were none then demand public apologies

You accused me of taking down dave's server as some form of conspiracy, which was proven false by Ijon AND watakid. Yes, I do deserve an apology for your baseless accusations, everyone agrees.

Never said nor implied you sent the kid.

Then why post it here? It is clear he is not associated with the developers of all out war.

Never accused sabotage either, just said it was suspicious the server stopped showing up as soon as this one gets released.

...Then why post here? What are you trying to accomplish by telling me your suspicions?

Maybe I ought to demand an apology from YOU for YOUR false accusations of false accusations! But I won't because demanding apologies in a place where everyone's anon is kind of retarded.

I am sorry. lol.

[Ivan]

Why so aggressive on bug reporting? Even then, if the B.E. Server was ever down, it was probably due to the host taking it down himself for wad management, etc.

Yeah, but who the hell is this guy anyway? Some AoW fanboy who is sad to see the old version go, only because he now can't abuse his favorite overpowered tactics. This is the kind of people that irritates me the most in this community. IMO Catastrophe should hardly ever pay attention to anything you say except the actual bugs.

That's hilarious, considering the "favorite overpowered tactics" are voting for Renegade ad nauseum and using the weapon that's stronger than every class that costs more cash and gets buffed anyway. Oh, I'm soooo sure the team-player class called util was sooooo overpowered before, being able to heal and whatnot. Who the fuck are you anyway? I mean, if that's supposed to be a legitimate rebuttal to criticism it's a two way street, m8.

Aggression comes from seeing a once-great mod going down a shit route involving worsening the aspects that were already bad about the mod, and the shitting up of what was good about it, and made it not Just Another Doom Mod. Right now it's feeling less like a team objective-based game and more like a 90 minute TDM SSG-fest with some glitz and glamour tossed about. Especially since when this branch first started, it had good potential.

[*]Conveniently, Dave's AOW2.1 server on [BE]Montreal disappears leaving only this one and some grandvoid servers. Nope, not suspicious at all.

2014-07-26 13:17:39 <BestBot> 15022 has been running for 4 days 10 hours 53 minutes and 32 second(s).

Shit ain't' showing up in IDE. If some other server browser displays it that's the problem right there.

[*]SSG buffed immensely for a pathetic boost in price. It's to the point even people who don't bitch about the SSG are all "WHAT THE FUCK" when I kill them from a pretty decent distance with it, and it still overpowers far more expensive classes. Did you decide to break the tie in the poll by using personal bias or what? If it wasn't broken before, it is now!

SSG is getting buffed to vanilla doom and its' price increased. (Of the 7 people that voted "other", 6 wanted the SSG price increased and/or buffed)


Not a tie.

http://i.imgur.com/LkRqZnE.png
notatie.jpg

[*]Tib harvest drones: less "team game", more "me me me me me" now. They're pretty fucking picky about where they want to be placed in tib fields too.


Picky? How so.

Try placing it in tib field either while inside tib field or on outside edges, have to press the button repeatedly before the drone decides it wants to go down, even if every location it was attempted to be placed in was inside the tib field anyway. Not to mention the need to double-press like you're arming a nuke leads to some accidental dropping c4 on top of your harvesteres.

[*]Let's call back to the point where Dave's AOW2.1 server with sound pack mysteriously disappears so this one can get the limelight. Conveniently a day or two after snesxboxyoshi pops into that server, tries to advertise this version, and precisely no one migrates over. "Forgive" me if I find that more than a little suspicious.

So you think I sent snesboxyoshi to Dave's server just to take players away? That's cute. You should realize I've actually banned snesboxyoshi from my server multiple times for trolling his own base. And I don't even talk to him, so uhh yeah.

Also, I recall from my logs someone named "Toxiq" came into my server just to get people to play Dave's serv where nobody followed him either. But do I try to stir shit up for it? No. I don't give a fuck, let people play what they want.

I am expecting an apology for false accusations, thank you.

let's play: extrapolate meanings and accusations where there were none then demand public apologies

Never said nor implied you sent the kid. Just said he tried and failed to advertise it, and a few days later the good server ain't showing up in IDE for me. Never accused sabotage either, just said it was suspicious the server stopped showing up as soon as this one gets released. Maybe I ought to demand an apology from YOU for YOUR false accusations of false accusations! But I won't because demanding apologies in a place where everyone's anon is kind of retarded.

- The favorite tactic of util c4 spamming is a really annoying one when combined with the stealth suit. It really just becomes an incredible luck factor to all games rather than something that can be prevented easily.
- I'm someone who has been here for quite a while, both in modding scene and competitive scene. From what I've seen of your account, you just made one here to talk trash about this mod and it doesn't make me happy.
- The "Just Another Doom Mod" mindset of yours is quite interesting... except it's not. SSG TDM fest? That doesn't win you games, you know that right? At least, not in AoW. I want to see you win a game with just SSG class, and your whole team too.
- In Catastrophe's defense, he said "Of the 6 people that voted other, they wanted the SSG buffed" so... Not a tie.

Again, you should become less agressive. Right now, you look like quite an ass with really unremarkable points throughout the thread, who also happens to be crying in pretty much all of them.

[Cyber']

I nominate to just nullify anything this "Feedback giver" says honestly. He's not providing anything useful other than trying to set up a conspiracy and place blame.

Or he might just be trolling, clearly we're blackmailing server hosts because aow is that special......
Also lol @anon community.

[CloudFlash]

But I won't because demanding apologies in a place where everyone's anon is kind of retarded.

a place where everyone's anon

everyone's anon

Umm.

[De-M-oN]

Is this mod dead? Whenever I look in IDE - no one is playing anymore AOW :(

Why is it like this?

[Metal]

Is this mod dead? Whenever I look in IDE - no one is playing anymore AOW :(

Why is it like this?

AOW is fairly unbalanced. While there are plenty of mods on Zandronum that are unbalanced, AOW has and always will be unbalanced no matter who takes over it or who tries to fix it. Same maps over and over, added to the fact that it's too easy for things to go one sided, and it gets boring fairly fast.

People tend to migrate toward other mods if there's recent changes and forget about other mods as well (See: Bagel horde). It will kick back up again, then die again, and the cycle will continue.

Could also be that the current developer on this mod is banned from the forums and can't make proper updates here. Then again, you can't cover shit with rainbow sprinkles and call it a sundae. People will always complain about what needs nerfing or needs to be buffed and no one will ever be neutral about this mod.

[Medicris]

Guess people got tired of it after all these years, where they could no longer enjoy the good times over the bad. I know I reached that point a long time ago (I just started playing Ren instead, much better teamplayers, balance and cooperation). There was also some drama or something along the lines of 2.1 becoming as popular as/more popular than X, and then 2.1 being found to have a shitload of plagiarized code and pulled from B-E or something. I guess from then on, X was sort of just... left behind? Don't quote me on that, this is all I've heard.

Catastrophe being banned might mean he lost his will to develop this, and 2.1 going through whatever it did sounds like it put Demy off it. If someone who knows more can tell the whole story, feel free to chime in.

[k4r4t3k4n4k4s]

There was some copy-paste-code but to my knowledge that was quickly replaced.

Why AOW2.1 is still banned from BE I don't know. Honestly I think it should be given a second chance.

[De-M-oN]

Why AOW2.1 is still banned from BE I don't know

Maybe because the community preferred it over X? :S

Me personally liked 2.1 more as well. But not everything. But 2.1 won over X.

X had good changes, but also a lot of changes I and the community disliked.
Good change about X was of course that the buildings had only half HP at SD and that losing a building costs lives as well. I really hated that AOW turned into TLMS when SD started. And with not less buildings HP it was often hard to end it other way than TLMS.

This mode needs a proper dev team. And also not a standalone dev. I think that would greatly help.

Remember the team with dusk, eruanna and so on. The people liked the updates mostly.

I would try myself some editing of AOW. But I have no programming skills at all. But I would change a lot. But one of my first ideas was already implemented. Mass Driver turrets instead of the hilarious LRM turrets xD
And thats also a thing: Of course games are not about realism. But AOW is overkill in unrealism. And I'm sure it can be done else without getting unbalanced. For example it just feels way too much wrong if a soldier survives a 100mm artillery shell, while it dies from the evil frag grenade rofl.

And its just a bit pity, because I loved this gamemode. But I disliked the players who played it only as TDM/TLMS and only AOW20 map. And it progressed to it further and further. Earlier there were much more players who played it how it is meant to be played.
And thats another thing about balancing. People who play it as TDM/TLMS have other balancing opinions and other opinions to the game, than the players who play it the "right" way. Of course the TDM Players dont want that lost buildings remove lives for example.
And the SSG only guys of course dont want a nerfed SSG :D
This would need a neutral dev - like metal already mentioned. And balancing should be optimized for the game how it is meant to be played and not for the SSG TDM players.

Also AOW is a mod which is quite impressive to me what this mod made possible out of the doom engine. There are many complex mods - no question - but this one looks to me the most complex one. It completely turns doom into a renegade clone with even vehicles and destroyable buildings and so on. Quite impressive to me.
me personally misses a bit the old AOW dev team.

[Ijon Tichy]

Why AOW2.1 is still banned from BE I don't know.

The author of AOW 2.1 stole a bunch of code from Brutal Doom and one of its spinoffs. Stuff like that is strictly forbidden from being hosted on BE.

[Lollipop]

I would not mind helping with a code snippet here and there if you set up a dev team De-M-On ;)
My life is a bit hard on schoolwork from now and onwards to at least half a year onwards though, so it is limited how much time i can invest.

[Dark-Assassin]

For years I've been thinking a simpler rewrite would be a better choice than trying to fix, add and adapt the current code.

[Bloax]

Well yes, except nobody would play it.

which by the way is also what killed aow2 on our side

[Dark-Assassin]

Advertise as AOW3, or even an entirely new title.