TM challenges HDL, DL

[Iced]

Okay, now before any of you kiddies start going "why don't you scrim someone better?"- we do. A lot. We're just trying to get these clans to step up to their words.

3v3 CTF matches. Best 2 of 3 (or more if the accepting clan wants). We'll count matches and not flags. We can work out the server details if you guys want to play on some hack-ass server hosted out of Argentina or something.

Here we go.

HDL:
Just today, one of your members was shit-talking us, saying we were shit, and we were bad. He said HDL is the "king of clans". So why don't we scrim, and see whether or not the "king of clans" get's shit on. This same member also avoided any attempt to actually face us in a match, so this offer is posed for any members of your clan whatsoever. You have members that want to run your mouth? Go ahead, but we looooooove playing people who talk a bunch of shit, so we're really looking forward to this match.

DL:
We actually almost scrimmed you guys. Almost. Your clan "leader" showed up, but really, the rest of you did pussy out. And what's even better is that the challenge was sparked by yet again another kid shit-talking saying TM sucks. But that kid was nowhere to be seen when we arranged a match. We'd love to play more than just one member of your clan, so why don't you step in front of your words and play Doom instead of hiding behind them.



Both these clans consider themselves competitive, but I have yet to see either one of them play an organized match. If you two want to act tough and big, and claim you're the best, then why not actually be competitive? Or is that just a bunch of big-mouth lying as well?

CHOICE IS YOURS, BOYS. HIKE UP THOSE SKIRTS AND GET YOUR FEET WET.

[Torvald]

I was there for that lol; was funny watching the clan back down as soon as you challenged them.

[Catastrophe]

Congratulations, you're picking on pub CTF players. Why do you have to demotivate these new players?

These clans literally do nothing but play whodunit all day, it's a good change that they are trying to play pub for once. Don't ruin it.

[Hammerfest-]

So...you resort to pick on public CTF players by scrimming them? Knowing you'll more than likely sweep the floor with them?

Cool, let's beat up on a new clan on pub CTF people because they hurt our clan pride and feelings. ;_;

[Iced]

Okay, now before any of you kiddies start going "why don't you scrim someone better?"- we do. A lot. We're just trying to get these clans to step up to their words.

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Congratulations, you're picking on pub CTF players. Why do you have to demotivate these new players?

Where's the line drawn? Why are they allowed to talk shit to us and we can't challenge them? Last I checked, Zandronum doesn't have any discriminating policies, so I think anything that they do, we can do as well. And when it comes to "shit talking vs. calling a clan out," you can say they're almost equal. Just because they're new (which, might I add, they're not- I've seen these kids around here for years) doesn't mean they can run their mouths and not get called out. Saying "you shouldn't pick on them because you're better than them, even though they were picking on you" is a very, very stupid thing to do.


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So...you resort to pick on public CTF players by scrimming them? Knowing you'll more than likely sweep the floor with them?

I didn't realize that challenging a clan to a scrim was the act of a god-forsaken sinner compared to calling a clan "shit". Next time, I'll take into consideration just how terrible of an act I might commit, and hopefully I can correct my faults and walk the path of a righteous man.

Or, I can tell you exactly what I told blue. Better yet, here:

Where's the line drawn? Why are they allowed to talk shit to us and we can't challenge them? Last I checked, Zandronum doesn't have any discriminating policies, so I think anything that they do, we can do as well. And when it comes to "shit talking vs. calling a clan out," you can say they're almost equal. Just because they're new (which, might I add, they're not- I've seen these kids around here for years) doesn't mean they can run their mouths and not get called out. Saying "you shouldn't pick on them because you're better than them, even though they were picking on you" is a very, very stupid thing to do.

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Now, last I checked, I don't remember saying anything about challenging VGL, and GOD KNOWS if we were to even speak about playing Doom against A3 we'd be banned from the community for suggesting such an outrageous notion, so why don't you two both mind your own business?

Unless, of course, you would like a challenge?

Wait, no, scratch that- I haven't seen either of you play anything other than pub in months, so I shouldn't pick on you, right?



EDIT: Since I don't think the point was driven home enough, I'll put this here a few more times so maybe anyone who comes across this thread will actually read what I wrote before they conjure up another post:

We're just trying to get these clans to step up to their words.

We're just trying to get these clans to step up to their words.

We're just trying to get these clans to step up to their words.

[Catastrophe]

They've been around for years, but isn't it nice opening IDE and seeing pub CTF being played for six days straight? Wouldn't you like for them to have a positive experience to y'know, keep it going? Sure they're complete knuckleheads but you should be the bigger man and just ignore them. Or better yet instead of making a scene you can simply join the opposite team and kick their ass.

It's attitudes like these which kills competition. New people don't wanna play pub if it's stressful; it's more of a leisure thing, just leave it be.

[quote=Iced]Wait, no, scratch that- I haven't seen either of you play anything other than pub in months, so I shouldn't pick on you, right?[/quote]

[Hammerfest-]

Where's the line drawn? Why are they allowed to talk shit to us and we can't challenge them? Last I checked, Zandronum doesn't have any discriminating policies, so I think anything that they do, we can do as well. And when it comes to "shit talking vs. calling a clan out," you can say they're almost equal. Just because they're new (which, might I add, they're not- I've seen these kids around here for years) doesn't mean they can run their mouths and not get called out. Saying "you shouldn't pick on them because you're better than them, even though they were picking on you" is a very, very stupid thing to do.

Not true. In the server, the logs after going through the demo I had showed that you were the one who started shit talking. One guy was complaining about his lag and you went out of your way to attack him first, this is what you said:

CHAT Reffi: lag jukes
Luigi was splattered by heresiarch's super shotgun.
tmedd was splattered by Riptor's super shotgun.
tmedd rode <GL> Gibson's rocket.
heresiarch was splattered by Riptor's super shotgun.
[thc]ten was splattered by Riptor's super shotgun.
>:( rode Luigi's rocket.
CHAT [TM]Iced: bad aim

... then it follows with this between tons of obituaries
[TM]Iced: you're bad at aiming
[TM]Iced: player
[TM]Iced: you're an idiot
[TM]Iced: jesus do you guys not understand how even numbers work
[TM]Iced: coming from the spectator
[TM]Iced: yeah
[TM]Iced: i'm not complaining about people not playing
[TM]Iced: i'm being a moron?
[TM]Iced: you joined and made the teams 6v4
[TM]Iced: that's moronic
[TM]Iced: can you count?
[TM]Iced: great
[TM]Iced: now you brought turbo fucker into this
[TM]Iced: let's go kids
[TM]Iced: cmon
[TM]Iced: hahaha
[TM]Iced: haha what is that

While at the same time, then you have this:

tmedd: duel me
tmedd: you suck ass
tmedd: luigi
tmedd: you also suck ass
tmedd: you suck ass too
tmedd: and hdl is a shitty clan
tmedd: hdl sucks
tmedd: hdl = shit clan
tmedd: yeah
tmedd: lets scrim
tmedd: lets scrim
tmedd: no?
tmedd: does hdl want to scrim??
tmedd: cause we arent hdl

I didn't realize that challenging a clan to a scrim was the act of a god-forsaken sinner compared to calling a clan "shit". Next time, I'll take into consideration just how terrible of an act I might commit, and hopefully I can correct my faults and walk the path of a righteous man.

It's not you challenging them to a war, but its the fact you're bullying them, then coming on here claiming they bullied them as if we're some gullible school children. Just come on here and tell the truth:
- You verbally attacked them first
- You can't handle arguments with simple pub players who probably don't even have an account on here, let alone give enough of a shit to combat.
While you're at it, it's pub. No one cares, just play the game, spam rockets and have fun. Or at least issue these challenges to clans if they attack you first.

Where's the line drawn? Why are they allowed to talk shit to us and we can't challenge them? Last I checked, Zandronum doesn't have any discriminating policies, so I think anything that they do, we can do as well. And when it comes to "shit talking vs. calling a clan out," you can say they're almost equal. Just because they're new (which, might I add, they're not- I've seen these kids around here for years) doesn't mean they can run their mouths and not get called out. Saying "you shouldn't pick on them because you're better than them, even though they were picking on you" is a very, very stupid thing to do.

Again you can challenge them all you want, but I'm telling you that the pub players do not care and you are wasting your time here; plus doing it under illusion pretenses. At least just admit that you went looking for a fight, got called out and are here posting some bawww thread because some pub player got you upset or something. Hopefully, this clan accepts your challenge... but you have got to know that they probably don't even read this forum. What is the point of this challenge if they don't even visit here? Ego boost?

Now, last I checked, I don't remember saying anything about challenging VGL, and GOD KNOWS if we were to even speak about playing Doom against A3 we'd be banned from the community for suggesting such an outrageous notion, so why don't you two both mind your own business?

Why don't you mind your own business in pub and just play the game instead of bullying people who want to play from the spectator slot? At least Edd was playing the game despite him slinging shit.

[Iced]

It's attitudes like these which kills competition. New people don't wanna play pub if it's stressful; it's more of a leisure thing, just leave it be.

Okay, let's go over a few things because I don't think you entirely understand what my post is about:
1. I came into a server, was talking to people, not paying any attention to these kids (this is completely true for BOTH CASES, might I add) and they decided to pipe up and call TM shit. If they want a "stress-free playtime environment," why the fuck are they calling another clan bad? Are they just doing that to relieve stress? Do they expect 0 repercussion? I doubt they're that oblivious- although some of their actions say otherwise...
2. Welcome to the forums- where people are NOT playing pub. What I say here- right here, in this thread- doesn't affect how these people play pub. Actually, I take that back. It SHOULDN'T affect how they play at all. Unless they suddenly take this all to heart and get so emotional that they can't play Doom at their normal level of skill, then what I say on the forums doesn't stop them from going back into pub and playing CTF. Especially if they're the ones who initiated this little quarrel (see #1).
3. I don't even know how to respond to the first sentence of that quote. How the fuck does challenging a competitive clan stifle competition? That makes no sense whatsoever. Like I said, unless they start to get really self-conscious and just stop playing Doom altogether (since they normally only play a few games of pub each year), then the competitive scene will see virtually no detriment at all. If you can point me to an example where challenging a competitive clan makes people not want to play competitive Doom, please, be my guest.
4. Be the "bigger man" and ignore them? You do realize this is a game, right? And that it's not going to have any effect on my mental, physical, or emotional well-being if some 14 year old says I'm not good? I'm not hurt by any of this, I'm not upset that they called us a bad clan- I'm amused. I'm making this challenge, like I said (I on't want to copy/paste it anymore) for these kids to step up to their words. If they want to play on this port and think they can talk shit and run their mouth, they should be able to handle it when people challenge them.

So like I said, I'm totally willing if VGL wants to scrim or even have a clanwar. We can set that up, definitely. But if you really think that it will make other people not want to play Doom, then we can push it to the side, you know, for the sake of the community. That being said, I'll reword what I wrote above: you really don't have any structure to base your input off of. You're not the players being challenged. You're not me. You're not the kid who spoke up in pub. So why do you think you have a say in the matter? If you were the voice of reason, you would be posting completely different ideas.

Actually, while we're on the topic, I would like to say that I believe this is exactly what everyone's been talking about for the past week- no one plays competitively anymore, and we need a spark. Hell, people even completely agree that trash-talking inspires competition, so I don't see why anyone would think this is "bad".

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Okay Goliath, let's sit down and have a chat. I'm glad you spent the time to go through the demos and log what was being said by Edd and I! That's very thoughtful and useful! I also appreciate how you conveniently left out what everyone else was saying in the server, and that the person I started talking to is not the same person who I'm calling out. Don't you think that makes a difference? I do. If it was, then I would probably be less inclined to post this challenge in the first place. If I provoked them, then fine, they can shit talk, whatever, we can figure it out in game or something, cool. But if someone shit talks me, then fine, I'll call them out, no problem. So If we're talking about general "shit-talking," and not considering who the words are directed at, then let's go to the start of the server, see who talked down to anyone first, and blame them, since, of course, it doesn't matter if these people are the same people we're challenging, we're just talking about shit-talking!

It's not you challenging them to a war, but its the fact you're bullying them, then coming on here claiming they bullied them as if we're some gullible school children. Just come on here and tell the truth:
- You verbally attacked them first
- You can't handle arguments with simple pub players who probably don't even have an account on here, let alone give enough of a shit to combat.
While you're at it, it's pub. No one cares, just play the game, spam rockets and have fun. Or at least issue these challenges to clans if they attack you first.

Oh, glad you brought this up (again)! If I cared enough about getting the exact logs, I'd go through the demo and paste them here, but since I frankly don't, then you can either take my word for it or check for yourself and see that the person who I was talking to in the first place isn't the same person I'm calling out. Now, I'm glad you did take this personally, because in this case you care enough to actually go back through the logs of the server- that's useful. Just go back and get them all, please. That would be nice.

you're bullying them

Who is "them"? The people we're challenging? They called us bad without being provoked, so I don't really think I was bullying them (unless not talking to them is bullying them...?)

coming on here claiming they bullied them as if we're some gullible school children.

Ah, right, I must first voice my challenge to you and bluewiz before I actually follow through! I'm sorry I thought so lowly of you specifically and thought that you specifically were so gullible. When in fact I'm challenging not you, and I'm challenging HDL and DL specifically. I don't know why you think I'm trying to pull something over your eyes when you shouldn't even be looking our way in the first place. (And speaking of acting like the reader is gullible, like I said, why don't you post the full logs?)

- You verbally attacked them first

Who is "them"? The people we're challenging? They called us bad without being provoked, so I don't really think I was bullying them (unless not talking to them is bullying them...?)

- You can't handle arguments with simple pub players who probably don't even have an account on here, let alone give enough of a shit to combat.

Oh, no, they're on here. And I know DL definitely gives a shit (at least their clan leader does). So when it comes to handling "arguments" with simple pub playe- wait, what the hell are you talking about? Why are you even in this thread? YOU can't handle someone talking poorly about someone who has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I wasn't even arguing with you, yet you really feel the need to post in here...

While you're at it, it's pub. No one cares, just play the game, spam rockets and have fun.

Okay, okay, play the game, spam rockets and have fun. Wait, spamming rockets stifles competition! And hey, if these kids aren't getting the best competitive experience out of pub, they won't play Doom EVER AGAIN! What are you suggesting?! We just treat these pub players horribly and not play the game?! I'm on to you!!!

Or at least issue these challenges to clans if they attack you first.

Who is "them"? The people we're challenging? They called us bad without being provoked, so I don't really think I was bullying them (unless not talking to them is bullying them...?)

Again you can challenge them all you want, but I'm telling you that the pub players do not care and you are wasting your time here; plus doing it under illusion pretenses. At least just admit that you went looking for a fight, got called out and are here posting some bawww thread because some pub player got you upset or something. Hopefully, this clan accepts your challenge... but you have got to know that they probably don't even read this forum. What is the point of this challenge if they don't even visit here? Ego boost?

I'm glad you're here to speak on their behalf, and are graciously letting me know how I should spend my time. I'll also admit that I called out a kid who talks a lot for blaming his lack of skill on lag, but what does that even have to do with this? Do you want me to answer that for you? Because the answer is "nothing". That kid has nothing to do with this at all, and you're seriously contorting what actually happened so you can give input towards something you know next to nothing about (competition) towards people who aren't addressing you at all. So since we're talking about how the kid I first called out has nothing to do with this post, I'll gladly point out that YOU have nothing to do with this post. This isn't a "baww" post, that's an idiotic thing to think- let alone say. This is a challenge. Is a challenge a "baww" post? Do you live in a 14-year old COD player's mind, where anything you say is word of God, but anything anyone else retorts is piss-poor and uncalled for?

And don't even make me copy/paste the point of posting this over and over again.

Why don't you mind your own business in pub and just play the game instead of bullying people who want to play from the spectator slot? At least Edd was playing the game despite him slinging shit.

Why don't you mind your own business everywhere? Hm? I didn't realize pub is a sacred ground, where you must focus on yourself and only yourself, yet the forum is the roman baths, and you can push your nose into things you, well, flat out shouldn't. Like I said, we're talking about stuff you don't really know a lot about (competition). So don't even get me started on "bullying people" from the "spectator slot," because, my God, if there was a Zandronum.exe that never let you actually play Doom, and instead you'd just float there and look at everything, maybe chip in your two cents once in a while, you'd own the only copy.


This was a pretty long post, so pardon me if I repeated myself. In fact, take note if I repeated myself. I probably did it to get across a point that still has yet to cross the barrier that imposes itself in front of your conscious thought processes. Now kindly, bluewiz, goliath, you both don't have to post anymore. If you have an issue with me, PM me. If you have an issue with our clan, challenge us. If you have an issue with me challenging other people, don't. Don't have an issue. Because, and I'll repeat myself AGAIN, so write this down or something: this doesn't concern you at all, so you shouldn't even be talking up a storm.

[legion]

I don't really care if anyone was "slinging shit" I wanna play some video games

so I'll cut to the chase: does "HDL" or "DL" want to scrim or not

[Ivan]

I knew from the moment that Iced making a thread would be a fun read... to see how he is a hypocrite himself. He has people like Edd shit talking everyone and then gets mad because people shit talk him and his clan. Oh boy what do we have here? Typical Iced. Picking on people he can easily beat. Of course, we all know what happened the last time they were against a REAL CHALLENGE, such as myself. They went the pussy road, the very road they claim HDL and DL clans are taking.

So yeah, I'm amused. Good luck beating up on clans like HDL and DL, you're getting better!

[CloudFlash]

Oh look, internet fight. *grabs bag of popcron*

[RedShirt]

EDIT: Found a more suitable picture

[Catastrophe]

So your spark for competition is challenging a bunch of pub players that don't know any better? Oh ok.

[Cyber']

As interesting as it would be to see both clans play, I don't think either will step up to the challenge.

[Hammerfest-]

It's attitudes like these which kills competition. New people don't wanna play pub if it's stressful; it's more of a leisure thing, just leave it be.

Okay, let's go over a few things because I don't think you entirely understand what my post is about
1. I came into a server, was talking to people, not paying any attention to these kids (this is completely true for BOTH CASES, might I add) and they decided to pipe up and call TM shit. If they want a "stress-free playtime environment," why the fuck are they calling another clan bad? Are they just doing that to relieve stress? Do they expect 0 repercussion? I doubt they're that oblivious- although some of their actions say otherwise...
2. Welcome to the forums- where people are NOT playing pub. What I say here- right here, in this thread- doesn't affect how these people play pub. Actually, I take that back. It SHOULDN'T affect how they play at all. Unless they suddenly take this all to heart and get so emotional that they can't play Doom at their normal level of skill, then what I say on the forums doesn't stop them from going back into pub and playing CTF. Especially if they're the ones who initiated this little quarrel (see #1).
3. I don't even know how to respond to the first sentence of that quote. How the fuck does challenging a competitive clan stifle competition? That makes no sense whatsoever. Like I said, unless they start to get really self-conscious and just stop playing Doom altogether (since they normally only play a few games of pub each year), then the competitive scene will see virtually no detriment at all. If you can point me to an example where challenging a competitive clan makes people not want to play competitive Doom, please, be my guest.
4. Be the "bigger man" and ignore them? You do realize this is a game, right? And that it's not going to have any effect on my mental, physical, or emotional well-being if some 14 year old says I'm not good? I'm not hurt by any of this, I'm not upset that they called us a bad clan- I'm amused. I'm making this challenge, like I said (I on't want to copy/paste it anymore) for these kids to step up to their words. If they want to play on this port and think they can talk shit and run their mouth, they should be able to handle it when people challenge them.

So like I said, I'm totally willing if VGL wants to scrim or even have a clanwar. We can set that up, definitely. But if you really think that it will make other people not want to play Doom, then we can push it to the side, you know, for the sake of the community. That being said, I'll reword what I wrote above: you really don't have any structure to base your input off of. You're not the players being challenged. You're not me. You're not the kid who spoke up in pub. So why do you think you have a say in the matter? If you were the voice of reason, you would be posting completely different ideas.

Actually, while we're on the topic, I would like to say that I believe this is exactly what everyone's been talking about for the past week- no one plays competitively anymore, and we need a spark. Hell, people even completely agree that trash-talking inspires competition, so I don't see why anyone would think this is "bad".

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Okay Goliath, let's sit down and have a chat. I'm glad you spent the time to go through the demos and log what was being said by Edd and I! That's very thoughtful and useful! I also appreciate how you conveniently left out what everyone else was saying in the server, and that the person I started talking to is not the same person who I'm calling out. Don't you think that makes a difference? I do. If it was, then I would probably be less inclined to post this challenge in the first place. If I provoked them, then fine, they can shit talk, whatever, we can figure it out in game or something, cool. But if someone shit talks me, then fine, I'll call them out, no problem. So If we're talking about general "shit-talking," and not considering who the words are directed at, then let's go to the start of the server, see who talked down to anyone first, and blame them, since, of course, it doesn't matter if these people are the same people we're challenging, we're just talking about shit-talking!

It's not you challenging them to a war, but its the fact you're bullying them, then coming on here claiming they bullied them as if we're some gullible school children. Just come on here and tell the truth:
- You verbally attacked them first
- You can't handle arguments with simple pub players who probably don't even have an account on here, let alone give enough of a shit to combat.
While you're at it, it's pub. No one cares, just play the game, spam rockets and have fun. Or at least issue these challenges to clans if they attack you first.

Oh, glad you brought this up (again)! If I cared enough about getting the exact logs, I'd go through the demo and paste them here, but since I frankly don't, then you can either take my word for it or check for yourself and see that the person who I was talking to in the first place isn't the same person I'm calling out. Now, I'm glad you did take this personally, because in this case you care enough to actually go back through the logs of the server- that's useful. Just go back and get them all, please. That would be nice.

you're bullying them

Who is "them"? The people we're challenging? They called us bad without being provoked, so I don't really think I was bullying them (unless not talking to them is bullying them...?)

coming on here claiming they bullied them as if we're some gullible school children.

Ah, right, I must first voice my challenge to you and bluewiz before I actually follow through! I'm sorry I thought so lowly of you specifically and thought that you specifically were so gullible. When in fact I'm challenging not you, and I'm challenging HDL and DL specifically. I don't know why you think I'm trying to pull something over your eyes when you shouldn't even be looking our way in the first place. (And speaking of acting like the reader is gullible, like I said, why don't you post the full logs?)

- You verbally attacked them first

Who is "them"? The people we're challenging? They called us bad without being provoked, so I don't really think I was bullying them (unless not talking to them is bullying them...?)

- You can't handle arguments with simple pub players who probably don't even have an account on here, let alone give enough of a shit to combat.

Oh, no, they're on here. And I know DL definitely gives a shit (at least their clan leader does). So when it comes to handling "arguments" with simple pub playe- wait, what the hell are you talking about? Why are you even in this thread? YOU can't handle someone talking poorly about someone who has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I wasn't even arguing with you, yet you really feel the need to post in here...

While you're at it, it's pub. No one cares, just play the game, spam rockets and have fun.

Okay, okay, play the game, spam rockets and have fun. Wait, spamming rockets stifles competition! And hey, if these kids aren't getting the best competitive experience out of pub, they won't play Doom EVER AGAIN! What are you suggesting?! We just treat these pub players horribly and not play the game?! I'm on to you!!!

Or at least issue these challenges to clans if they attack you first.

Who is "them"? The people we're challenging? They called us bad without being provoked, so I don't really think I was bullying them (unless not talking to them is bullying them...?)

Again you can challenge them all you want, but I'm telling you that the pub players do not care and you are wasting your time here; plus doing it under illusion pretenses. At least just admit that you went looking for a fight, got called out and are here posting some bawww thread because some pub player got you upset or something. Hopefully, this clan accepts your challenge... but you have got to know that they probably don't even read this forum. What is the point of this challenge if they don't even visit here? Ego boost?

I'm glad you're here to speak on their behalf, and are graciously letting me know how I should spend my time. I'll also admit that I called out a kid who talks a lot for blaming his lack of skill on lag, but what does that even have to do with this? Do you want me to answer that for you? Because the answer is "nothing". That kid has nothing to do with this at all, and you're seriously contorting what actually happened so you can give input towards something you know next to nothing about (competition) towards people who aren't addressing you at all. So since we're talking about how the kid I first called out has nothing to do with this post, I'll gladly point out that YOU have nothing to do with this post. This isn't a "baww" post, that's an idiotic thing to think- let alone say. This is a challenge. Is a challenge a "baww" post? Do you live in a 14-year old COD player's mind, where anything you say is word of God, but anything anyone else retorts is piss-poor and uncalled for?

And don't even make me copy/paste the point of posting this over and over again.

Why don't you mind your own business in pub and just play the game instead of bullying people who want to play from the spectator slot? At least Edd was playing the game despite him slinging shit.

Why don't you mind your own business everywhere? Hm? I didn't realize pub is a sacred ground, where you must focus on yourself and only yourself, yet the forum is the roman baths, and you can push your nose into things you, well, flat out shouldn't. Like I said, we're talking about stuff you don't really know a lot about (competition). So don't even get me started on "bullying people" from the "spectator slot," because, my God, if there was a Zandronum.exe that never let you actually play Doom, and instead you'd just float there and look at everything, maybe chip in your two cents once in a while, you'd own the only copy.


This was a pretty long post, so pardon me if I repeated myself. In fact, take note if I repeated myself. I probably did it to get across a point that still has yet to cross the barrier that imposes itself in front of your conscious thought processes. Now kindly, bluewiz, goliath, you both don't have to post anymore. If you have an issue with me, PM me. If you have an issue with our clan, challenge us. If you have an issue with me challenging other people, don't. Don't have an issue. Because, and I'll repeat myself AGAIN, so write this down or something: this doesn't concern you at all, so you shouldn't even be talking up a storm.

After hearing the re-hash of "I don't care/If I only cared...etc" enough times to fill a 1000 page textbook to the brim, yet seeing you come on writing some huge ass post/seeing you flip out indicates otherwise the opposite of you not caring.

Logs took 1 minute max. Instead of sitting here crying on the forum and writing a subjective essay, you can go get objective facts from the logs like I did.

The only worthwhile thing in that mountain of your misinformation that needed actual addressing is as follows:
- This has nothing to do with your skill
- This has nothing to do with your clan
- This does concern me because when I want to enjoy pub, having some egotistical guy shit talk in pub and come to the forums. If you want to ruin pub and start shit, go do it elsewhere instead of filling the forum with junk and then crying when your junk gets called out for what it is. Y'know, try to help the scene rather that hurt it. If you think bullying the competition out of the port will work, you haven't learned a single thing about how to stimulate competition since you joined this port.

[Torvald]

Just reading this thread is giving me a headache. "oohoihasfahisugfbf great way to troll nooby clans uaishgifbiagsfiugaf". You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. This happens almost every time a clan challenges someone; it just gets back to the whole "what's acceptable and what is not acceptable" in terms of trash talking.


"Of course, we all know what happened the last time they were against a REAL CHALLENGE, such as myself." I also laughed really hard at this. More than I should have.

[Samurai]

Does anyone in either of these two clans have anyone who is a member on these forums? Personally i've never heard of either of those clans, but then again I don't really converse with many people who play in the mod scene.

[mr fiat]

Does anyone in either of these two clans have anyone who is a member on these forums? Personally i've never heard of either of those clans, but then again I don't really converse with many people who play in the mod scene.

i was wondering this too because when i saw those clan names in the OP i didnt even knew they existed.

[Cruduxy]

There are a lot like them.. I wouldn't call them clans and just call them a group of people sharing a tag. -Can swear most of them are trolls-

[Ivan]

"Of course, we all know what happened the last time they were against a REAL CHALLENGE, such as myself." I also laughed really hard at this. More than I should have.

It's sad right? That's probably why you laughed, that's why I'd laugh anyway. Having friends around you that run away from the real challenge like that, must suck I guess. Oh well, what to do, they are your friends that you picked, so, I shouldn't be that surprised anyway.