Samsara - No longer under active development.

[Cruduxy]

Its not like strifeguy is a challenge to transform to doom for those keeping answering about him.. ALL his weapons/items are already fully coded and its just a matter of getting the sprites and adding him to the playerclasses -of course palette change the sprites to doom + some paperwork with replacings..

[Ijon Tichy]

I lol at all those braindeads trying to prove that Strife can be Strife only when you BUT ONLY. WHEN YOU. BOUGHT ALL. POSSIBLE THINGS. AND UPGRADES. OVER 9000 TIMES. And to get money for this sort of action, I bet you had to either replay first levels over and over, or use cheats.

first off, nice job making a completely unbelievable strawman to attack

second off, pay attention

third off, I never even bought anything in strife and still ripped it a new asshole because he's just that fucking powerful

edit: anyway, there's no point debating this since both term and I have tried to get this to work quite a few times and it never worked

[Ivan]

I lol at all those braindeads trying to prove that Strife can be Strife only when you BUT ONLY. WHEN YOU. BOUGHT ALL. POSSIBLE THINGS. AND UPGRADES. OVER 9000 TIMES. And to get money for this sort of action, I bet you had to either replay first levels over and over, or use cheats.

first off, nice job making a completely unbelievable strawman to attack

second off, pay attention

third off, I never even bought anything in strife and still ripped it a new asshole because he's just that fucking powerful

edit: anyway, there's no point debating this since both term and I have tried to get this to work quite a few times and it never worked

There was no point the first time Cloud_Flash made a post... he's just dumb as a brick. He will never understand because he's a little kid who wants everything to happen at once with no possible negative answer.

IGOR WAS HERE.

[Lollipop]

Ivan, now you sound retarded, you probably don't know what you talk about when he is the topic.

He just think strifeguy would be a cool thing to add, and I can asure you he rethink things, but the way he say it turns horrible.
I could make a translation:
"I do not care if you make him feel like strifeguy, I do not need upgrades and shit, I just want to have him to play with."

I do not understand why he didn't shut up though, he must like strifeguy a lot :\

[CloudFlash]

There was no point the first time Cloud_Flash made a post... he's just dumb as a brick. He will never understand because he's a little kid who wants everything to happen at once with no possible negative answer.

Oh my, you make me blush :>
But seriously, listen to yourself. You might want to stand up from your Throne Of Personal Delusions About Your Superiority Over Everyone Else for a second and check if you didn't left your butt print on it. Might be a sign that you sat in it for a bit too long.

As for the Strifeguy Debate... I seriously regret that this discussion isn't happening on IRC. It would surely make it easier for us to spam 'STRIFE GUY OP' "NO IF YOU PLAY WITHOUT USING OP" over and over again.
Also arguing that 'poison bolts will fuck all Doom monsters, since they are all organic' is silly, once you realize that you can change 'instantkill' to 'some poison damage' without breaking a sweat.

[Untitled]

From what I see, What I'd do would be kind of ambitious, but strife isn't all as impossible as it sounds.
Fist: Punch Dagger.
Pistol: Yeah you guys don't get one.
Slot 1: Flamethrower. It would use cells, much like the Laser Cannon did for ranger back in 0.28, but it would be unupgraded, meaning that 4-16 damage is kind of terrible, especially with limited range and accuracy.
Slot 2: Crossbow. The catch is, poison bolts would be removed (or at the very least, /severely/ nerfed), but the primary fire would be buffed to 20-80 damage (in addition to having damagetypes against the appropriate monsters), making it a Shell-using Fusion Pistol.
Slot 3: Mini-Missile-Launcher. It's not OP until it actually has the accuracy to hit anything outside of melee.
Slot 4: Assault Gun. I'd say up the damage to 4d3 instead of 3d3 (It's a terrible chaingun if it can't out DPS the chaingun), and leave it with base accuracy.
Slot 5: Grenade Launcher: Do the same as you did to Duke, Normalize it. 75 damage, 128 Explosion Radius/Damage, and phosphorus grenades would use 20 rockets per shot.
Slot 6: Mauler. 20 Health is a lot more than you make it out to be, and some maps are actually unforgiving about health placement, and most are a lot stricter about health placement than with ammo placement, that much I can tell you. I'd, of course, up the Mauler2's ammo usage up to 40, and make it 25 health-the value of a precious Medikit, which means you'd actually have to dodge well, or sacrifice yourself to your own weapon.
Slot 7: Sigil. Alright, I admit, I'm outta ideas here. The using health thing is cool, but the Sigil takes this gimmick too far. I have no idea what to do-Making it use too much health per shot would make it useless, since it would be a suicide weapon, but if it's too little, it's a spam cannon.
Unique: Either Power Scanner (Reveals all actors on map) OR a single Teleporter Beacon. Neither of those are particularly powerful. The Power Scanner is a great utility to have around (since seeing actors can allow you some pretty sweet plans to avoid traps), but in the end, it's not going to save your life, and as Samsara/Stronghold has demonstrated where everyone spams a wall of them, a single teleport beacon, while useful, isn't stupidly powerful.

So someone (CloudFlash, if you're requesting so intensely) could actually try making this as an addon if they figure out what to do with the sigil.

(inb4 flame war)

[TerminusEst13]

"I do not care if you make him feel like strifeguy, I do not need upgrades and shit, I just want to have him to play with."

And if I don't add in a character to my own mod I don't like, have no interest in, and already tried a few times and wasn't happy with, clearly I must be lazy and/or braindead because

[HexaDoken]

Wait, you can replay levels in strife? Where what when

If you can do this without using cheats, then you are either exploiting master voodoo magic we are all unaware of or haven't played the game at all.


As for what Untitled said, I agree on most points more or less, but would like to say that "20 rockets per phosporous grenade" is actually a somewhat bad idea, since it will just be used too scarcely to make a noticeable gameplay element. Better just make them do less than ~20000 lasting damage per grenade or something.

[Deathskull]

Wait, you can replay levels in strife? Where what when

If you can do this without using cheats, then you are either exploiting master voodoo magic we are all unaware of or haven't played the game at all.

Because Strife totally doesn't use a hub system at all.

[Lollipop]

I agree with strifeguy being an addon. If terminus don't want him to be in samsara, then he's not getting in, it would be totally without logic for an authur to make something he think is bullshit, then it will not be wholeheartedly and it will turn out shit.
Cloud Flash, if you make this addon, then this can end, and we all want it to end. WTF are you waiting for?

Note on sigil:
Make it eat an ammotype dry, I suggest the following:
Strifeguy generally have very low altfire ammo gain, and the sigil will require a full inventory of cell alt ammo, which will be a pain for strifeguy to get.

Note on fire grenades:
Make the flames same strength as the flamer fire (but weaker, for balance), but not have the flames trigger pain state, this will really weaken his crowd control and he will not be as powerful.
I suggest that these grendaes will use rocket alt ammo, which I already stated, should be scarce for strifeguy to get.

[Ijon Tichy]

and here we're introducing a bunch of elements not in strife, changing weapons to the point where they don't act like their original weapons at all (making poison bolts not instant kill removes the only reason they had to exist), or completely omitting huge parts of strife to make him not retardedly OP against everyone and everything but roflrockets

this is why he isn't getting in

also untitled; term and I decided the electric crossbow would be the pistol weapon, since having no ranged options can easily break some wads entirely (shooting switches, anyone?)

he didn't have a slot 2 though; couldn't reconcile that

[Qent]

Didn't someone make a Strife pistol? As long as he's going to be completely different, he might as well be completely different, eh?

EDIT: Oh there it is, filed in the wrong section.

[Untitled]

I hardly call the poison bolts a huge part of strife.
Yeah, so crossbow gets pistol slot. Then slot 2 is , oh well. He didn't need one.
More tips:
Flamethrower is unchanged from strife, so that still behaves like strife.
Mini Missile Launcher is unchanged, so that still behaves like strife.
Assault Gun is not all that different from other slot 4's, and behaves like strife.
I'd hardly call normalizing grenades changing it that much, considering you did that to Duke and Ranger (though the latter would suck otherwise). To be honest, I'd just remove the phosphorus grenades.
The Mauler's attack functions are unchanged. I'd make the Mauler take 10 cells for an SSG shot rather than 20, and 40 cells + 25 life rather than 30 energy / 20 life, so that still behaves like strife aside from ammo costs.
Dunno what to do with Sigil, cause as I said if it uses too much health WELL THEN SACRIFICE YOURSELF and if it doesn't use enough OMG SPAM CANNON.

[dekw]

I have a proposal!

Term, as the owner of the mod, does what he pleases

Everyone else, as a non-owner, deals with it. Or makes an addon.

This is fair.

Thanks.

[Qent]

That is already what we are doing.

[TerminusEst13]

That is already what we are doing.

Actually, you would be surprised how many people can't deal with it. :p

[CloudFlash]

Cloud Flash, if you make this addon, then this can end, and we all want it to end. WTF are you waiting for?

I'm waiting for Garde to finish cutting out all not-Strifeguy-related things from Strife so I can get to work on it. If you guys are lucky, he might even manage to have Strifeguy ready without me having to edit it, which for you means that I will not have a chance to create any terrible gameplay distortions which will rip the whole universe apart.
One of them might be editing Sigil so it eats all your ammo types to unleash 4 diffrent attacks in quick succesion. So yea.

[Popsoap]

I'm waiting for Garde to finish cutting out all not-Strifeguy-related things from Strife so I can get to work on it. If you guys are lucky, he might even manage to have Strifeguy ready without me having to edit it, which for you means that I will not have a chance to create any terrible gameplay distortions which will rip the whole universe apart.
One of them might be editing Sigil so it eats all your ammo types to unleash 4 diffrent attacks in quick succesion. So yea.

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[14:27:46] <@TerminusEst13>: CloudFlash: I'm waiting for Garde to finish cutting out all not-Strifeguy-related things from Strife so I can get to work on it.
[14:27:50] <@TerminusEst13>: I GOT BAD NEWS FOR YE, MATE
[14:28:09] <+vcbvcvbc>: cloud is working with garde on strife?
[14:28:34] <+Popsoap>: Wait he can't get the sprites himself?
[14:28:51] <@TerminusEst13>: Punchline: Garde just sent me an early alpha.
[14:28:55] <@TerminusEst13>: Played through it, it's pretty fun.
[14:29:40] <+Archblaze>: sup pop
[14:29:48] <+Popsoap>: Hi
[14:30:04] <+Gardevoir>: um
[14:30:07] <+Gardevoir>: I did it myself
[14:30:11] <+Gardevoir>: Cloud did nothing
[14:30:24] <@TerminusEst13>: Yeah. Apparently he expects you to come to him to do stuff?
[14:30:33] <+Gardevoir>: no
[14:30:39] <+Gardevoir>: I told him today I made everything myself
[14:30:49] <+Jes>: obviously he didn't understand you
[14:30:57] <+Gardevoir>: he said "ok" and then told me some of his dumb ideas
[14:31:06] <+Gardevoir>: I said "no" to them all
[14:31:08] <+Gardevoir>: then he quit
[14:31:12] <+Gardevoir>: heh
[14:31:20] <+Qent>: Now THAT is a team! \:D/
[14:31:24] <+Gardevoir>: lol
[14:31:28] <+Jes>: teamwork gg
[14:31:35] <@TerminusEst13>: HAI QENT
[14:31:39] <+Jes>: but at least this will shut up the fucking kiddies
[14:31:42] <+Qent>: ijon why can't you and term work like that
[14:31:44] <+Qent>: HAI
[14:31:53] <+Gardevoir>: hmm
[14:31:53] <@TerminusEst13>: But we did.
[14:31:56] <@TerminusEst13>: Oh
[14:31:57] <@TerminusEst13>: wait
[14:31:59] <+Jes>: QENT I LIKE YOU LIKE ONE STRAIGHT MAN CAN LIKE ANOTHER STRAIGHT MAN
[14:32:02] <+vcbvcvbc>: what were the ideas?
[14:32:12] <+vcbvcvbc>: give a 6th sigil tier that kills everyone on the map instantly for 90 hp/
[14:32:13] <+Qent>:  <3 
[14:32:14] <+Gardevoir>: ammo use for sigil
[14:32:17] <+Gardevoir>: lol
[14:32:22] <@TerminusEst13>: Qent: Did you see the Tumblr link?
[14:32:28] <+Gardevoir>: and some other shit like that
[14:32:29] <+Qent>: yes that was sad lol
[14:32:33] <+Gardevoir>: uhh
[14:32:34] <@TerminusEst13>: Haha, yeah.
[14:32:40] <+Gardevoir>: now I think I have to make rebels for stryfor
[14:32:45] <+Gardevoir>: and teleport bacon
[14:32:48] <@TerminusEst13>: In retrospect, I probably should've reported it to you guys instead of screencapping and deleting them.
[14:33:07] <@TerminusEst13>: But in case that ever happens, what's the process for reporting PMs to mods? Do you guys get a copy when I hit the report button, or do I have to send it to you guys?
[14:33:26] <+Qent>: Um, I'm actually not sure
[14:33:45] <+Qent>: I think we probably get a copy when you report it
[14:34:06] <+Jes>: ... what's with the bullshit on the forum lately?
[14:34:13] <@TerminusEst13>: Hmm. All right.
[14:34:16] <+Jes>: sticking to directx 9 wil make your games look like they are 8 years old AKA ancient."
[14:34:17] <+Jes>: Nope
[14:34:53] <+Archblaze>: ...wha?
[14:35:30] <+Qent>: actually I see no button to report a PM
[14:35:32] <+Qent>: Hm.
[14:35:46] <+Archblaze>: far be it from me to assume but, i thought playing ancient games made ancient games look ancient, especially mods of an ancient game on an ancient game engine
[14:35:48] <+Popsoap>: Would anyone mind if I copied what Gardevoir said into a reply to Cloud Flash?
[14:36:01] <+Gardevoir>: huh
[14:36:04] <+vcbvcvbc>: no just send him this
[14:36:13] <+vcbvcvbc>: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2pD0B9Rfps
[14:36:14] <+LinkBot>: [ You are an idiot HAHAHAHAHA! - YouTube ]
[14:37:13] <@TerminusEst13>: Popsoap: I'd be down with that, man.

I see Gardevoir doesn't share your enthusiasm.

[Gardevoir]

It's funny that I am simply ignoring all this discussion. I got my own ideas for Strifeguy that hopefully will keep him "Strifeish" enough. Actually, I'm simply trying to make him playable in other iwads, than rather, keep him reserved for only one native iwad. If he's gonna suck, I don't care. I have enough pleasure in seeing him already make his first steps in any place other than Strife.

[Untitled]

Okay then. Care to elaborate on how you're doing strifeguy right? (That's not a rhetorical question btw, I'm actually curious on how you're going to make this work.)