Brutal Doom author encourages suicide, discuss

[Cruduxy]

Ibm how do you relate telling ppl to be his bitch to be the same level as encouraging murder/Suicide..
People saying they don't care if a stranger dies even infront of them disgust me to the bones.. reminds me of chinese videos about someone who got hit by a car and none took to hospital til he died.. Because they fear getting blamed :\..

P.S. reading the zdoom topic a bit deeper I'll quote sgtmark "Yeah, I learned something: People in this forum have an awfully limited and sugar coated sense of humor."

That is too much full of himself in my eyes now.

[Lollipop]

Ibm how do you relate telling ppl to be his bitch to be the same level as encouraging murder/Suicide..
People saying they don't care if a stranger dies even infront of them disgust me to the bones.. reminds me of chinese videos about someone who got hit by a car and none took to hospital til he died.. Because they fear getting blamed :\..

P.S. reading the zdoom topic a bit deeper I'll quote sgtmark "Yeah, I learned something: People in this forum have an awfully limited and sugar coated sense of humor."

That is too much full of himself in my eyes now.

This describe how any human being should feel like, anyone who don't should see a doctor or something :\

[Zupoman]

Guys.

I have no idea where all that hate to Sgt. Mark came from. Please don't tell me you hate him from his BD being popular; if it would be so, you are the worst people I have ever seen, and I don't want to know you. I met enough of such kind of people in my life.

Encouraging suicide is not a good thing. We all know that Mark's post was not a good thing. Even through the thread is very controversial, and it might be just a troll.

Mark's response was bad. We all know that. We all know that sarcasm has got its boundaries. Blah blah blah, I think I am getting bored of talking about that.

However, does that make Mark an asshole? Does it?

All people make mistakes, all of you and also me, made mistakes in our lives. I believe Mark also just made one. Some empathy, guys.

I am absolutely sure that everyone of you all people at least once said something politically/morally wrong, and you got hated by people for that. You know what I mean, I am sure you do.

This is currently happening to Mark. But on a really bigger scale. Especially that forum trolls are fuel for all drama, and this thread is the result.

Just stop judging people by a few things they said. And stop hating Brutal Doom.

1. Sarge is a complete asshole and he should be banned from whole doom community.
2. That post just did not look like a troll to me. The thread in the thread hell looked like he actually believed what he typed, and somehow got himself a mental condition (pretty possible if you're bullied).
3. Asking for help on the internet is a common thing, I once asked 'SSS' Terrorist on aow (2 years ago or something) because I just felt empty and wierd.

I do not see what there really is to discuss at all, just get Sarge banned already for what he have done. If binary never show up again, then Sarge must pay the price, and never come back.

I think you should get banned, and pay the consequences of many years of posting posts that never give anything to the topic, just add more to the mass confusion. Because that is what your post just was. You are one of trolls I was talking about. Just encouraging people to hate and ban a person, just because you don't like him.

[infurnus]

P.S. reading the zdoom topic a bit deeper I'll quote sgtmark "Yeah, I learned something: People in this forum have an awfully limited and sugar coated sense of humor."

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I'd also like to re-post this set of points I've used before:

• people have a right to have opinions, and to be offended by whatever irks them, just like how people have a right to feel any other emotion
• being offended does not make you special; it does not give you special powers, it does not allow you to be protected from second hand insults and inflamed sensitivities
• no one has the right to not be offended; people can't claim they have a right to not be offended when freedom of speech is prevalent
• nobody will ever be granted special rights simply because they are offended
• people shouldn't purposely try to offend others
• no one should make a mountain out of a molehill, etc

[Lollipop]

posting own opinions > telling someone to commit suicide.
Perfect logic.

I can't see if you are sarcastic about banning me or not, but you obviously don't know how long I have been around. "years" is an expression of several years, not just a matter of less than 2.
I can't see what you referrence to, why you directly side with Sarge or why you indirectly say that all other than you and Sarge are complete idiots.
Good job, your post is of same quality of IBM's and contribute to nothing but try to anger me for no reason.

EDIT: I posted before your post was posted, sorry for cluttering things up.

[infurnus]

However, does that make Mark an asshole? Does it?

Yes, yes he is.

All people make mistakes, all of you and also me, made mistakes in our lives. I believe Mark also just made one. Some empathy, guys.

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Just stop judging people by a few things they said. And stop hating Brutal Doom.

It was not a mistake.

He had a chance to not post that comment, to edit or even delete his comment, or to apologize. He posted his comment, left it there, then proceeded to continue posting in a similar negative manner. He said after that, that they were jokes, and that people are just "sensitive" or whatnot, basically passing off his put-downs as mistakes or misinterpreted jokes. This sounds like a similar internet argument.

If he wants to post those things, that's what he so chooses, and in doing so he also opens himself up to the reactions and critique of others.
Please view my bullet point list above for reference.

posting own opinions > telling someone to commit suicide.
Perfect logic.

EDIT: I posted before your post was posted, sorry for cluttering things up.

Correct, I understand that this was not directed at me.

[TerminusEst13]

Okay, so! The matter is simple. Sergeant Mark IV completely non-ironically told a guy to kill himself, and even made a few extra posts justifying it and "helping" guide the person along with it.

Now in today's gaming society, death has become something of a commonly-desensitized issue to us. There's movies all about killing people, we play a game where we regularly kill other people, there's shows about people coming back from the dead after dying, there are plenty of shock sites which have pictures of real dead people, and the death threat has become the most common way to express simple disagreement with someone.
In real life, death is kind of a serious goddamn issue. You know that old phrase, "the bell tolls for thee"? Here, let me post the entire thing.
"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls, for it tolls for thee." - John Donne, a person only relevant to nerds like me.
There's a little bit of a debate as to what he truly means, but the shortest and most simplest explanation is "Hey, dying fucking sucks and it affects everyone, not just you".
Actively encouraging that one should die over a trivial matter not only cheapens the impact death has but also shows how little one cares for it.

Oh, but there's some opposition to this idea.

1: It was a joke!
"I was only joking!" is the most common defense on the internet, and as far as defenses go it reeks of backpedaling.
Black humor can certainly be done and it can be done very well, and it's not like we don't joke about crass shit in the IRC channels, but the basic layout of a joke goes as follows--premise, set-up, punchline. The premise is certainly here: Kid on the internet rants about his crappy life. Then the set-up: Sarge comes in to encourage suicide. And the punchline...? There's no punchline. Just Sarge continuing to encourage it. This isn't a joke. There's no punchline. It's just saying shit for the sake of saying shit. "Kill yourself lol" isn't a joke because there's no punchline, unless you consider suicide to be an inherently funny subject.

2: The OP was probably trolling.
He probably was, or at the very least was trying to gain attention. It's quite possible, a lot of people have made up sob stories on the internet, complete with empty suicide threats just so they gain attention from other forumers.
However, this isn't about what OP was doing, this is about what Mark was doing. People are responsible for their own actions--when someone does shit, you don't point at what someone else did to excuse it. Mark alone is responsible for what he says and writes, and nobody else influences him to do things.

3: There's worse stuff out there on TV/the internet/etc.
There is! North Korea is actively starving its citizens in order to divert funding to nuclear weapons testing, for one. "Bride burning" is a common practice in middle-eastern countries which is pretty much as it says on the tin--if a husband feels offended, he can set his wife on fire. Africa regularly practices genital mutilation. Ghana regularly practices sex slave trade. There's a lot of horrible shit going on in the world today.
But we're not talking about those. We're talking about this. Trying to change the subject isn't going to change what happened.

4: So what, that doesn't make the mod worse.
It doesn't! And feel free to continue playing it. Unfortunately, we're not talking about the mod, we're talking about the modder.

5: People do dumb shit all the time, who cares?
"Death" is kind of above the label of "dumb shit", but okay, let's run with this. Yes, people make mistakes. People make errors. People mess up. What you do after that is one of three things.
1: 'fess up, come clean, apologize. Admit you fucked up.
2: Ignore it and walk away, don't make a scene because it doesn't matter.
3: Try and pass it off as NBD and continue marching ahead.
Mark is a big proponent of option 3. The problem isn't just that Mark is just doing dumb shit, the problem is that Mark is doing dumb shit and carrying on with it, intentionally antagonizing people. His reaction to the outrage is not to say "Sorry guys, it was stupid of me". He's not even just being silent and ignoring the issue. He is actively antagonizing people by saying they are "jealous", he's saying he's "worse than Hitler" (and changed his title to accompany it!), and that people "can't take a joke".

6: The kid deserves it for being such a sad sack.
You are a horrible person.



tl;dr: No. Don't do that. Go back and read the fucking thing.

[Qent]

Zupoman, Mark keeps making "mistakes" like this again and again.

[Sergeant_Mark_IV]

lmao! You guys seem to really love talking about me. What's next? A paparazzi taking pics of me everywhere I go?

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and now possibility a sexist with a YouTube comment of his I found months ago when I was bored reading video comments to discover what he thought of it

And, just for the record, yes, I am strongly against modern feminism, and this is no joke, and neither a secret to anyone.

[Ivan]

If you ever decide to move down from your throne full of "suicidal" intent you can realize we aren't talking about good things you did. You seem to enjoy having people talk about things you did too, as you are intentionally doing totally weird shit. From what I've heard about you this sounds very typical of you so, nothing to discuss here.

Also, you seem to want some paparazzi to follow you around, I'd say beware because next thing you know, you're out of the community while seeking more attention!

[Eric]

Hey, Mark, before you go off to count your Cacoward and ModDB awards, can I ask one question?

How many more times do you think you're going to be able to get away with pulling the "BUT I WAS JUST JOKING YOU GUYS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND MY HUMOR" card? This is like the fourth time now, isn't it?

[Hypnotoad]

lmao! You guys seem to really love talking about me. What's next? A paparazzi taking pics of me everywhere I go?

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and now possibility a sexist with a YouTube comment of his I found months ago when I was bored reading video comments to discover what he thought of it

And, just for the record, yes, I am strongly against modern feminism, and this is no joke, and neither a secret to anyone.

You're just fueling the fire. Probably best you either apologize or leave.

[Ivan]

lmao! You guys seem to really love talking about me. What's next? A paparazzi taking pics of me everywhere I go?

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and now possibility a sexist with a YouTube comment of his I found months ago when I was bored reading video comments to discover what he thought of it

And, just for the record, yes, I am strongly against modern feminism, and this is no joke, and neither a secret to anyone.

You're just fueling the fire. Probably best you either apologize or leave.

He will do neither. He will fuel the fire even more, until it kills everyone. (Or just him)

[Spottswoode]

However, does that make Mark an asshole? Does it?

Yes, yes he is.

Yeah...that's pretty much the consensus here. Advising someone to kill themselves is making an asshole of yourself at minimum, even if it was insincere. It is distinguished from making jokes about suicide in that you are actually involving a person directly and advising them to kill themselves. He even prescribed a method, for God's sake.

When the stuff with the Real Gore and the racist joke started, I got really upset, like if there was a whole conspiracy trying to bring down Brutal Doom, but now, I just don't care anymore. Now, I am starting to enjoy seeing these people making a storm in a tea-kettle. I do not seek attention, you guys just give way too much importance for way too little stuff that I do. You guys should just forget me, because if you are trying to make me feel bad with such discussions, yeah, you are going to make me feel bad, but bad in a different way, bad like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlwRNCnsbUg


But, that's ok. I'm gonna stop with the jokes before this sugar-coated community start a petition in avaaz to ban me from Zdoom, Zandronum, and Doomworld forums. I promise that from now I will not make any more posts in anything non-doom related

Stellar performance. You're not helping your case. Most of us don't really care whether or not you post retarded, obscene, or otherwise inflammatory commentary so long as you keep it within ethical guidelines. (Meaning you don't tell people to kill themselves.) I'd suggest a formal apology but that's as likely to happen as hell is to freeze over.

Apologize for telling a feminist extremist to go to the kitchen? No way. I would rather shoot myself in the he-... WHOPS, sorry, I forgot, no more suicidal jokes, I know. I'm really sorry guys.

Actually that was ok in my book.

[Sergeant_Mark_IV]

When the stuff with the Real Gore and the racist joke started, I got really upset, like if there was a whole conspiracy trying to bring down Brutal Doom, but now, I just don't care anymore. Now, I am starting to enjoy seeing these people making a storm in a tea-kettle. I do not seek attention, you guys just give way too much importance for way too little stuff that I do. You guys should just forget me, because if you are trying to make me feel bad with such discussions, yeah, you are going to make me feel bad, but bad in a different way, bad like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlwRNCnsbUg


But, that's ok. I'm gonna stop with the jokes before this sugar-coated community start a petition in avaaz to ban me from Zdoom, Zandronum, and Doomworld forums. I promise that from now I will not make any more posts in anything non-doom related

You're just fueling the fire. Probably best you either apologize or leave.

Apologize for telling a feminist extremist to go to the kitchen? No way. I would rather shoot myself in the he-... WHOPS, sorry, I forgot, no more suicidal jokes, I know. I'm really sorry guys.

[Hypnotoad]

I'm really sorry guys.

If it wasn't for that emoticon at the end, I would have thought your apology may not have been entirely sincere or something!

[Dusk]

And what the heck kind of apology is that supposed to be. Quit being a troll, it's not contributing fucking anything to the community aside from the already abundant enjoyment of dramafests and flamewars.

[Qent]

Okay, see how when a lot of people have a problem with something you say, it's not your fault, it's a conspiracy? And when they highlight something bad that you said, it gives you more "importance"? And how after being told you were bad, you just decide that bad is good? And if people don't appreciate your jokes, it's their fault for being "sugar-coated," instead of yours? Just saying, backing down a little can go a long way.

And FYI, that was not a feminist extremist. A feminist extremist says "I'm a woman, therefore I'm better," not "I'm here to be a gamer, not a woman."

[Ænima]

You're just fueling the fire. Probably best you either apologize or leave.

Apologize for telling a feminist extremist to go to the kitchen? No way. I would rather shoot myself in the he-... WHOPS, sorry, I forgot, no more suicidal jokes, I know. I'm really sorry guys.

Yeahhhhh. See, this is why we don't like you. Posts like this make it painfully obvious that you crave attention. "Didn't get quite enough attention out of what I did, better milk it some more by inserting some "accidental" references to what I just got in trouble for!"

lmao! You guys seem to really love talking about me.

You seem to really love having us talk about you.

[XCOPY]

4: So what, that doesn't make the mod worse.
It doesn't! And feel free to continue playing it. Unfortunately, we're not talking about the mod, we're talking about the modder.

PSA, http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f= ... 05#p710800 why you should not support a mod by such a person. Respect yourselves.