Spak City Private Style Public

RedShirt · #1

A few of here at Spak Industries have been thinking about the goings on about private CTF and people being ridiculed about how they play or how they don't know how priv works. I feel a simple solution here is to put up a private style public server for those who would like to learn how private CTF works and would like to get in to the priv scene without the tension and without being bashed about how they play. If you don't know how to play private CTF I would recommend reading through this thread

Anyway, I'm posting this thread to ask the community's opinion on this. If you think this would be a good idea or not. Thanks.

Watermelon · #2

I'd be there to help/play with people.

Website · #3

I'd support this. It'd be a great way to introduce new and/or inexperienced players to the competitive realm, and they'd have an understanding when their time comes to start priving.

#4

Supporting this idea.

one_Two · #5

I think this would be very useful and would allow people to play smaller ctf games.

#6

HeavenWraith wrote:Supporting this idea.

Zakken · #7

Unnecessary. Why divide the competitive scene even more than it already is?

RedShirt · #8

Soul wrote: Unnecessary. Why divide the competitive scene even more than it already is?

I think you missed the point. Its not to divide the community, its to get new players in to the swing of how private CTF works and hopefully get some more people interested in it.

Torvald · #9

This sounds like an interesting concept and I'd like to see how it would play out. However I have a few concerns regarding how this would work. Would this server have a password? If not, how would you prevent players from disrupting the game play (ie. random people joining in mid game, or non captains refusing to spectate for the captains). It sounds interesting but at the same token you have to trust that the majority of the player-base will act responsible. I personally think the people in this community are well-mannered enough to maintain the etiquette of priv, but I feel when it comes to the random players off the street who don't read these forums will be more wild and less obedient towards the rules.

RedShirt · #10

Decay wrote: Traditionally Spak has been the heart of dumbassery, retardation, verbal abuse, and degradation to new players. I doubt the sincerity of this.

Decay wrote: 12:12:22 <Essay> i didn't even read the topic
12:12:34 <Essay> i just saw spak and redshirt posting it and i already know it's going to be a waste of time

Thanks for contributing.

Tor to answer your questions. No the server would not have a password and because of this the server would have to be heavily moderated to keep random people from joining mid-game and such. But I have faith that if people are serious about getting in to the competitive scene they would play by the rules.

Torvald · #11

I suppose if it was heavily moderated and people were responsible enough to take care of the players who deliberately try and disrupt the game it might work out. Well I look forward to this and hope it works out!

infer · #12

I like the idea, but i think the server should be passworded, and on the title, a message like "Get the password on the forums", so the player go thru the Priv thread and this before joining. The server should be also heavily moderated, like Hydra said.

Oh, and: "Registered just to make two posts". OH GOD I THINK THIS IS A RECORD!

Zakken · #13

RedShirt wrote:
Soul wrote: Unnecessary. Why divide the competitive scene even more than it already is?
I think you missed the point. Its not to divide the community, its to get new players in to the swing of how private CTF works and hopefully get some more people interested in it.

It is going to divide the community though, whether or not that is the purpose of it. The reason you proposed the idea was to "free new players from the tension and trash talking in real priv", which is who's fault again? Definitely not the new players'.

It would be a lot easier if the elitist players simply stopped being such assholes to the newcomers. Hell, you wouldn't even need a separate server (a.k.a. dividing the players, as I said earlier) for that. And you are part of one of the crews who made Skulltag priv that way back on 2010, which makes your premise all the more hypocritical.

Or you could just play Odamex priv instead. Most of the better players there are gentle, and there are many new players who aren't discouraged at all.

Torvald · #14

Decay wrote: Thanks for eliciting my point in a good mannered way Soul.

Your point was that Spak members are terrible people/ trouble makers and this idea would never work out. I never saw that anywhere in souls post except for Hydra, which is not all of spak.

Soul wrote:
It is going to divide the community though, whether or not that is the purpose of it. The reason you proposed the idea was to "free new players from the tension and trash talking in real priv", which is who's fault again? Definitely not the new players'.

It would be a lot easier if the elitist players simply stopped being such assholes to the newcomers. Hell, you wouldn't even need a separate server (a.k.a. dividing the players, as I said earlier) for that. And you are part of one of the crews who made Skulltag priv that way back on 2010, which makes your premise all the more hypocritical.

Or you could just play Odamex priv instead. Most of the better players there are gentle, and there are many new players who aren't discouraged at all.

I have to disagree with this because as some people have stated, Priv was originally where higher skilled players could hone their skills. What Hydra is proposing is a method for people who are new to competitive looking to get better - that aren't quite on par with some of the regular priv players. Think of it as the middle-ground between pub and priv.

Also I think chastising someone for something they did two years ago is a bit on the extreme end, especially from a person who, not too long ago single-handedly insulted all of <pro> and some staff members in priv. At least Hydra is making an effort to bring activity to the competitive scene.

RedShirt · #15

Soul wrote:
RedShirt wrote:
Soul wrote: Unnecessary. Why divide the competitive scene even more than it already is?
I think you missed the point. Its not to divide the community, its to get new players in to the swing of how private CTF works and hopefully get some more people interested in it.
It is going to divide the community though, whether or not that is the purpose of it. The reason you proposed the idea was to "free new players from the tension and trash talking in real priv", which is who's fault again? Definitely not the new players'.

It would be a lot easier if the elitist players simply stopped being such assholes to the newcomers. Hell, you wouldn't even need a separate server (a.k.a. dividing the players, as I said earlier) for that. And you are part of one of the crews who made Skulltag priv that way back on 2010, which makes your premise all the more hypocritical.

Or you could just play Odamex priv instead. Most of the better players there are gentle, and there are many new players who aren't discouraged at all.

Says the person who is also an asshole to everyone. Sure i may have had a hand in making priv what it is today but I've changed. Hell me and Rosking were just talking yesterday about how assholish we were back then but we've calmed down since then. I'm merely trying to fix something I helped start. You call it hypocritical, i call it taking responsibility.

Watermelon · #16

Soul wrote: The reason you proposed the idea was to "free new players from the tension and trash talking in real priv", which is who's fault again? Definitely not the new players'.

I assume you would be on board with me if we removed the troublemakers and shit disturbers or whoever contributes to those problems from the private scene then?

#17

I support this idea. To those thinking that these guys are trouble makers, they're trying to turn things around. they were once trouble makers, it doesn't mean they always will be. They're obviously trying to take responsibility with the community as a whole, and I appreciate that. The energy spent on trolling/harassing others can be used to make this community a better place, and that's just what they're trying to do.

Sounds great.

Stan · #18

I support this idea. When I first got into playing competitively, I could have really used an idea such as this.

Zakken · #19

Tor-Bjorn wrote:I have to disagree with this because as some people have stated, Priv was originally where higher skilled players could hone their skills. What Hydra is proposing is a method for people who are new to competitive looking to get better - that aren't quite on par with some of the regular priv players. Think of it as the middle-ground between pub and priv.

The best way for new players to improve their skills is to play with the ones who have lots of them -- that's how it's always been. This is a good reason why having a separate priv for them is a bad idea: their skill progression would be slower, not to mention they could end up distancing themselves further from the main priv.

Tor-Bjorn wrote:Also I think chastising someone for something they did two years ago is a bit extreme end,

It would be extreme, but then you have to realize that what's happening right now isn't much different from what happened said years ago (a couple of clans "monopolizing priv" and whatnot).

Tor-Bjorn wrote:especially from a person who, not too long ago single-handedly insulted all of <pro> and some staff members in priv. At least Hydra is making an effort to bring activity to the competitive scene.

The only one from PRO I ever had bad vibes with is Cyber, and that is more or less an inside joke between us. I don't usually insult others without being insulted first, and I only ever tried to shun out a few people who were, you know, actually disrupting priv.

This isn't a thread about me, so I'll stop replying to the ad hominem now.

RedShirt wrote: Sure i may have had a hand in making priv what it is today but I've changed. Hell me and Rosking were just talking yesterday about how assholish we were back then but we've calmed down since then. I'm merely trying to fix something I helped start. You call it hypocritical, i call it taking responsibility.

That is noble of you, but I'm just saying why your idea would backfire badly and just wouldn't work the way it's intended to.

Watermelon wrote: I assume you would be on board with me if we removed the troublemakers and shit disturbers or whoever contributes to those problems from the private scene then?

It is a good idea to do something about it, but "removing" is a bit extreme, in my opinion. Also, who would judge what is and what isn't disruptive to priv?

Watermelon · #20

Soul wrote: It is a good idea to do something about it, but "removing" is a bit extreme, in my opinion. Also, who would judge what is and what isn't disruptive to priv?

Removal is the only viable option. People seldom change, and if they do change and prove they are stable enough to priv again then we can add them/unban them.

The server admins would decide on who is disruptive or not, based on the general input from active priv members.

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