Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Still gg compared to alt-tabbing on the middle of a demo where you dida demo_skiptics 100000000000000000 command :D
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
I've yet to see a demo that lasts over 905393 years.ibm5155 wrote: Still gg compared to alt-tabbing on the middle of a demo where you dida demo_skiptics 100000000000000000 command :D
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
i only use opengl to run wads that need opengl like doomz/survivalism
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Even though Duel32 hub map stopped lagging with the new videocard, I still don't use OpenGL because I have gamma in Doom set to approximately twice as bright as normal desktop, and it keeps this overbright setting while alt-tabbing from OpenGL (but not software).
Also OpenGL can't into this:
Also OpenGL can't into this:
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
It would be great if it was possible to play with the textures like that without affecting the sprites
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
In software I cannot see the ground nor the ceiling so fuck it !!!
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Software.
Doom with openGL can not be called doom anymore.
Doom with openGL can not be called doom anymore.
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Wtf? And why is that? So basically Skyrim with graphics enhancing mods like Enb series is not Skyrim anymore? What a spirit of deduction heh.
RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
If it was supposed to be OpenGL than it would be allready done when it was released.Kara Kurt wrote: Wtf? And why is that? So basically Skyrim with graphics enhancing mods like Enb series is not Skyrim anymore? What a spirit of deduction heh.
RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Uh. Just in case you're serious, you know a hardware-accelerated renderer was something Carmack said he wanted to see happen when the source code was released? It wasn't feasible for home computers at the time, dedicated graphics cards were scarce in households. Doom is Doom no matter what you render it in.Filystyn wrote:If it was supposed to be OpenGL than it would be allready done when it was released.Kara Kurt wrote: Wtf? And why is that? So basically Skyrim with graphics enhancing mods like Enb series is not Skyrim anymore? What a spirit of deduction heh.
It's a shame Z&'s GL renderer is too far behind to have GZDoom's Software lighting mode, it looks great.
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Yeah, same goes for the client/server system, 32 players simultaneously, freelook, jumping, decals, dehacked, decorate, and all WADs ever released. Source ports and wads that make it even remotely different from vanilla Doom are useless crap.Filystyn wrote:If it was supposed to be OpenGL than it would be allready done when it was released.
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Besides, if OpenGL was a thing when Doom was released and could perform well, Carmack would likely have took advantage of it somehow, much like he did once Quake came along. But, alas, it was too soon (OpenGL didn't exist yet, and there were no consumer accelerators at all).Medicris wrote:Uh. Just in case you're serious, you know a hardware-accelerated renderer was something Carmack said he wanted to see happen when the source code was released? It wasn't feasible for home computers at the time, dedicated graphics cards were scarce in households. Doom is Doom no matter what you render it in.Filystyn wrote:If it was supposed to be OpenGL than it would be allready done when it was released.Kara Kurt wrote: Wtf? And why is that? So basically Skyrim with graphics enhancing mods like Enb series is not Skyrim anymore? What a spirit of deduction heh.
It's a shame Z&'s GL renderer is too far behind to have GZDoom's Software lighting mode, it looks great.
Also, Kaiser (who made Doom64 EX and Strife: VE), has proven that it's possible to make OpenGL render much the same as software did, right down to how sprite clipping is handled.
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
I use opengl only because I hate the limited free look and warping in software. Other than that software looks better so I don't use any of the fancy texture filters or dynamic lights and what not.
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Well, at least Zan's GL renderer doesn't require OpenGL 3 yet, which will inevitably happen once it's not far behind from GZDoom.Medicris wrote:It's a shame Z&'s GL renderer is too far behind to have GZDoom's Software lighting mode, it looks great.
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Not unless it takes a different path from GZDoom while still retaining compatibility for major features.
RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Offtopic, but I do hope Z&'s GL renderer stops at GZD 1.8.10. I don't see any feasible gain for players past that, and the hiked up system requirements (though I can run them, many can't) aren't worth the supposed benefits.
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
You left some out, so I fixed that for you.doom_kid92 wrote:Yeah, same goes for the client/server system with gametic unlagged support, 64 players simultaneously, console, freelook, jumping, crouching, decals, dynlights, polyobjects, models, voxels, dehacked, decorate, ACS, and all WADs and PK3s ever released. Source ports and wads that make it even remotely different from vanilla Doom are useless crap.Filystyn wrote:If it was supposed to be OpenGL than it would be allready done when it was released.
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Honestly, what's a GZDoom feature that is absolutely necessary these days?
Except for 3D models, Sloped or non FPS killing 3D Floors, Dynamic lights for maps that require it and better Voxel support. Modding wise, not stuff like Y shearing and colour quality.
Shove these in to ZDoomGL's render and there's something that's on par with GZDoom's features, but not nearly as bloated.
Except for 3D models, Sloped or non FPS killing 3D Floors, Dynamic lights for maps that require it and better Voxel support. Modding wise, not stuff like Y shearing and colour quality.
Shove these in to ZDoomGL's render and there's something that's on par with GZDoom's features, but not nearly as bloated.
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RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
Exactly!Uwe L. Bendoverson wrote:Besides, if OpenGL was a thing when Doom was released and could perform well, Carmack would likely have took advantage of it somehow, much like he did once Quake came along. But, alas, it was too soon (OpenGL didn't exist yet, and there were no consumer accelerators at all).Medicris wrote:Uh. Just in case you're serious, you know a hardware-accelerated renderer was something Carmack said he wanted to see happen when the source code was released? It wasn't feasible for home computers at the time, dedicated graphics cards were scarce in households. Doom is Doom no matter what you render it in.Filystyn wrote:If it was supposed to be OpenGL than it would be allready done when it was released.Kara Kurt wrote: Wtf? And why is that? So basically Skyrim with graphics enhancing mods like Enb series is not Skyrim anymore? What a spirit of deduction heh.
It's a shame Z&'s GL renderer is too far behind to have GZDoom's Software lighting mode, it looks great.
Also, Kaiser (who made Doom64 EX and Strife: VE), has proven that it's possible to make OpenGL render much the same as software did, right down to how sprite clipping is handled.
RE: Do you use OpenGL in Zandronum?
I have a good computer still it's impossible for it to handle OpenGL.Medicris wrote:Uh. Just in case you're serious, you know a hardware-accelerated renderer was something Carmack said he wanted to see happen when the source code was released? It wasn't feasible for home computers at the time, dedicated graphics cards were scarce in households. Doom is Doom no matter what you render it in.Filystyn wrote:If it was supposed to be OpenGL than it would be allready done when it was released.Kara Kurt wrote: Wtf? And why is that? So basically Skyrim with graphics enhancing mods like Enb series is not Skyrim anymore? What a spirit of deduction heh.
It's a shame Z&'s GL renderer is too far behind to have GZDoom's Software lighting mode, it looks great.
OpenGL was never meant for avarage graphics cards. Even now after 20 years doom exist.