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[Ru5tK1ng]

okay but in all seriousness, why do we need to bring up people's dumb mistakes? i havent been around much but people have matured since the dumb mistakes they made. and we *usually* let them see the end of it. so why not let the ones who pretended to be girls see the end of their mistakes?

Clearly you did not read this post or Mifu's

also im a hacker tbh

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[Samurai]

Fatelord, weren't you the stupid cu-nt (why is this word censored?) who was caught cheating in a scrim and still lost? If you had any shred of intelligence you would keep yourself well away from threads like this instead of making dumb posts in hope people will like you for them, or better yet crawl back down that hole where you've spent the last 5 months.

[ZZYZX]

Actually it's pretty weird that Hekmatyar denies being Teletha while keeping a very similar forum profile.
Hekmatyar's avatar says it all, gives things away.
What's the point?

[NachtIntellect]

I am a male and I clearly don't give a fuck about gender, they can be whoever they want and I'd still treat them the same.

Sorry to put it so roughly but why does this thread even exist? You are just allowing the drama to run it's course if you wish to discuss this do it elsewhere, this is my personal opinion.

Edit: On a side note, I have people fawning over me when I enter a game sometimes like what the hell? Are you guys in on some joke that I clearly have no information of? lol.

[mifu]

Ok guys.

I dont mind allowing discussions like this because it has some sort of worth (clearly shown in this thread) but I be dammed if we have to clean up peoples constant derailing posts of the thread. There is nothing wrong with this thread as its a discussion and a legit one at that.

So I'm going to ask if you are going to post in here, please make sure your post is not DE-railing. I like to think we can all discuss shit, as a community now so how about we let the discussion roll on. Thank you.

[Metal]

A lot of people got caught on fire by wolfygirl, you would not believe how many.

Even Metalhead believed "her", IIRC. WolfyGirl was careful enough to avoid self-incrimination by not posting on the ST forums very often (unlike Mere who shot himself in the foot several times) and always hanging around people ingame who would echo her lies for her.

On a side note, who remembers her elite anti-Skulltag hacktivism group, WIFI?

Yeah, that was short lived. Not only was he gender-challenged, but slightly obsessive and probably mentally ill.

Honestly, this thread has valid points and there's more to it than just pretending to be a girl. There's probably a considerable amount of older men pretending to be young girls on here for the worst reasons. There's rumor, no proof yet, that there was someone who used to play AOW with a girls alias that was an older man. The sources on that aren't great but the idea of it is a bit unnerving.

I think the people that Decay mentioned are mostly in it for the attention. It's a pretty male dominated community and they just want validation and to have the same treatment a girl might get. Or maybe they're gay? I don't know. If you're trans or whatever, that's fine but it's not very cool to lead others on.

I personally don't think gender matters if you're not going to use it to gain leverage.

[Lollipop]

Another thing to note is the thing with AOW 2.1.
The reason I bring that up is because the name plastered on the project is Demy Veronika. The Demy Veronika who developed AOW 2.1 was a spanish guy, who from what I have gathered across the years is an imposter. The real Demy Veronika I knew was a real female human, from Russia.
I don't know if anyone else knew about that though, but it seems to me that if that was the case, then maybe it was an attempt to get the "girl attention". It is quite scary that such maliciousness is carried out, which I suppose is the reason we discuss it.

[Zap610]

Why did Mere/Emmure/Sparrow/Whatever pretend, at least for a solid 4 years, to be a girl?

Why? Because they can. Because they were attention whores, and they knew people would believe them. If you mix in a pinch of borderline and two tsp of histrionic traits you end up with that bundle of joy.

[NiZ']

I didn't know Mere was a guy. Personally, I don't care. Still funny though.

[NiZ']

It's cool that you guys are bringing attention to the subject of gender faking but, if anyone treats people nicer over the net because they assume the person on the other side is of the opposite sex then that's your own fault.

[Shane]

Personally I rather hear about the female doomers pretending to be male, this would interest me even more

also, I'm gay.

[NiZ']

Personally I rather hear about the female doomers pretending to be male, this would interest me even more

also, I'm gay.

I'm actually a girl but I find pretending I have stuff hanging between my legs makes life a lot easier.

Plus, I don't have to shave my woman beard.

[Ru5tK1ng]

Actually it's pretty weird that Hekmatyar denies being Teletha while keeping a very similar forum profile.
Hekmatyar's avatar says it all, gives things away.
What's the point?

He's possibly too embarrassed to come forth and accept responsibility for the whole Too Less Oxygen thing. Additionally, it could be due to that whole clan alliance thing being a complete failure and because Teletha's stage act overall was not very 'successful' compared to the others.

Wasn't there strong evidence linking the two anyway? If there are proofs, how does the denial continue to this day?

[Catastrophe]

Actually it's pretty weird that Hekmatyar denies being Teletha while keeping a very similar forum profile.
Hekmatyar's avatar says it all, gives things away.
What's the point?

He's possibly too embarrassed to come forth and accept responsibility for the whole Too Less Oxygen thing. Additionally, it could be due to that whole clan alliance thing being a complete failure and because Teletha's stage act overall was not very 'successful' compared to the others.

Wasn't there strong evidence linking the two anyway? If there are proofs, how does the denial continue to this day?

Probably a case of self-deception

[Neo]

Appreciate the respects. I return it in kind.

When dealing with manipulative people, motives are trivial and pointless topics to seek out. Often times they're too convoluted in webs of lies and deceit to have any real substance or form. I would know. I used to be a horribly manipulative person, as some may still attest. However, the net worth of a person isn't measured by their past, but chiefly by their desire to change and the willpower and work they put forth to achieve it. Basically, words are wasted and useless when it comes to people such as myself in reality. It all comes down to actions and time, which tells and shows the true sum of what a person who claims they have changed actually is.

For the record, there was more to it than just laughs, humiliation, etc. Despite what some may think, I actually cared a great deal about people. However, as I mentioned before, it's hard to take such tales at face value because they're often construed in ways that are meant to excuse or defend the one who summons them. Basically, they're half-truths that are just shitty little excuses for people who don't want to take responsibility for the horrible damage that they've done to other people.

And I alone own that. I know who I've acted out towards, and no amount of good meaning or apologies can make up for it. People are usually only sorry they got caught, never for the fact of what they've done.

I can make the excuse that I was young all I want, but does it give any of the people I've fucked over back their grace, humility, and humanity? No.

I own that. But guess what. I have a policy, an open door one. Any person that I've fucked over that wants answers can always find me either on IRC, here, or on Armada's Teamspeak. People want answers? That's what I offer them. I can't make it right, but I can always attempt to make amends. And that's what anyone who's done something like I have should strive to do.

At the end of the day, I'm still regarded by most as pretentious, arrogant prick. But at least I try my best to be honest, and in doing so take responsibility for what I've done.

And thanks for the support as always, Mifu. You embody what loyalty means. I'm pretty sure I could nuke the entire network and you'd still find a way to not punch me in the face. :)

This is nice...this is really nice makes me happy in a way.

[StrikerMan780]

I only object to gender faking if people are using it to manipulate others and play with their heart-strings. (I personally know first-hand that if people are fond enough of one another online, it can end up forming into a relationship IRL, be it a friendship or love relationship.)

It can be pretty devastating if you start falling for someone, only to realize that they're not who they say they are at the last moment they've strung you along. That's why it's best that if anyone is going to present themselves in that way, they be honest about their identity.

[DevilutioN]

I don't usually come here anymore but this was linked to me and I actually have a lot to say about this that I doubt many people ever knew about.
I knew Icy was a guy pretty early on. I never did tell anyone however. Thats personal as to why.
And Lilith. I met Lilith before he became too well known and to say the least, he had somehow gotten pictures of me and was following me around. The thought of another bisexual girl on DOOM seemed a little too hard to believe, but i have to admit, I fell for it.
I can respect Icy cus he actually had feelings, on the other hand Lilith is a complete sociopath with no regards to how anyone feels.

[The Toxic Avenger]

Icy was REALLY vindictive and got Stipsi fired from his mod position basically and was the main catalyst behind him basically leaving Zandronum entirely.

[Ru5tK1ng]

I can respect Icy cus he actually had feelings, on the other hand Lilith is a complete sociopath with no regards to how anyone feels.

I'm guessing this statement stems from the fact that he posted a bunch of very personal logs between the two of you. I'm not going to link anything, but after reading some that stuff . . . there's enough issues between the two of you to make a dozen volumes. . .

[DevilutioN]

I can respect Icy cus he actually had feelings, on the other hand Lilith is a complete sociopath with no regards to how anyone feels.

I'm guessing this statement stems from the fact that he posted a bunch of very personal logs between the two of you. I'm not going to link anything, but after reading some that stuff . . . there's enough issues between the two of you to make a dozen volumes. . .

Those logs have been around for a while. That is a part of it. He's (Lilith) very good at pretending to care. This is a while ago but it's just good to warn other people of him. He'd be the type to do it all over again for sure.
I had a conversation with him once where he admited he was a sociopath. I also asked him about about pretending to be a girl and his story was a cousin or someone he claimed to name "Steve" had died and he was posing as a way to get close to certain people take revenge on them. Which I am pretty sure was a big lie itself lol.