Is doom slowly dying?

[Monsterovich]

Okay, it's my turn now.

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Conclusion: Zandronum is slowly dying. (c) Or I just get bored...

[Lord Smash]

This is the kind of thread that's too dangerous to let around given the nature of the people here.

I guess you're right,i mean,look at the huge shitstorm this thread caused.
It's pretty obvious this community cannot handle civilized discussions.

[/sarcasm]

[Razgriz]

It's wrong to use the term dead when it isn't completely inactive.

World Doom League was hosted on Odamex for this summer.

You know, you can defend Odamex all you want, but you basically stated that the WDL is Odamex's life support. It is dead and only like less than 10 players play when there is no league going on. By that logic, Zandronum wont be dead for centuries because there are always more than 10 players playing at most any given time. See Monsterovich post for a screenshot as well, and even ZD averages more players than Odamex at any give time.

GG EZ GAME EZ LYFE ZANDRONUM OP

[Combinebobnt]

Damm if only there was a way to easily start a server that hosts something I like!!!

[Hypnotoad]

my uncle thought that atari would live forever and look what happened.

People are still playing and sharing homebrew games for early Atari consoles even today!

[Catastrophe]

I don't know whether you're conscious to the idea or not, but you're actually agreeing with my original statement: Some people didn't like the mod (which, the whole intention behind it was to change the dynamics), and while I offered them the original version with none of the changes made, people stuck with GVH:NS.

Of course people are going to play whatever is new. However saying X is better than Y because more people play X is an awful way to know if a wad is good or bad. It's like saying McDonalds is better than a fine-dining restaurant just because more people eat from McDonalds. It's bad logic. Majority rules is flawed.

So once again, your argument is invalid. Citing a player (Ivan) and not naming him is a terrible way to try and convey an argument. It holds no ground what so ever. Nor does "talking to them every day" qualify as justifiable. I talk to Jenova every day and he says Jews are bad - so by your level of standards, it must be true.

Of course, I'm not going to involve people who don't belong in this convo but if you insist on me bringing him in.

<19:37:33> "Ivan": basically
<19:37:38> "Ivan": torvald created the 2 human classes
<19:37:41> "Ivan": and stole them directly
<19:37:44> "Ivan": from someone named meepy ivan
<19:37:49> "Ivan": he still credits himself for those
<19:37:51> "Ivan": IIRC

Please don't use your inferiority complex against me as a means to justify anything you say. Most of your post comes off as emotionally subjective, indirectly hinting at past events that have your name all over it. If you didn't like it, that's totally fine I get that, but don't try to make it sound like everyone-else hated it because you did. That puts you right on par with people like this.

When did I say a lot of people didn't like it? The worst I've said is that you guys were cry-babies towards critique. Which is proving to be true even two years after NS died.

This is my last post on this matter.

[Ru5tK1ng]

<19:37:33> "Ivan": basically
<19:37:38> "Ivan": torvald created the 2 human classes
<19:37:41> "Ivan": and stole them directly
<19:37:44> "Ivan": from someone named meepy ivan
<19:37:49> "Ivan": he still credits himself for those
<19:37:51> "Ivan": IIRC

That's interesting I can't really see why tor would do that. Especially considering the fact that he stated meepy's classes were 'poorly coded, generic, and imbalanced'.

[Torvald]

I'm not going to involve people who don't belong in this convo

you were the one that brought him into this by hinting at him in a clearly passive-aggressive manner.

The worst I've said is that you guys were cry-babies towards critique.

There's a difference between offering critique, and straight up bastardizing someone for things they never did.

When did I say a lot of people didn't like it?

Here.

<19:37:33> "Ivan": basically
<19:37:38> "Ivan": torvald created the 2 human classes
<19:37:41> "Ivan": and stole them directly
<19:37:44> "Ivan": from someone named meepy ivan
<19:37:49> "Ivan": he still credits himself for those
<19:37:51> "Ivan": IIRC

I never took credit for making those classes. All I did was edit the decorate and acs. I actually gave full acknowledgement to captain-toenail, the original author of those classes (meepy pasted his name over them) in the in the pk3's and wads.


Like I said: I released revisions by the day from players suggestions, I hosted non-GvH_NS servers for few who didn't want the new classes. I listened to every single person and welcomed their opinion with open arms. I'm simply putting to rest any lies that you have intentionally tried to stir up.

[mifu]

I think it is time to close this thread. I think we all know what the answer is.

Doom is not really dying. I dont even think we would be discussing this if it was dying.

Anyways lets like, not do this again for a while!