[split] [VGL] — Video Game Legends -VGL discussion

[John Zombie]

everyone with a bit of common sense/objectivity would say they're both the epitome of mental retardation

Do I have to remind you that there are people that would say the same about you?.. Do I even have to remind you that you were in a clan ruled by Capodecima by your own will?

Anyway the point is that there are no people with objectivity. Just, like, totally none. Objectivity means the person is biased towards some very common point of view instead of being biased towards less popular ideas or particular people.

I haven't had any particular problem with anyone, nor caused any relevant trouble since quite a long time, unlike the 2 respectable individuals you care so much about.
Regarding the FW fiasco yeah, I accepted to join his clan approx. one year ago when it looked like he changed for the better, which was indeed a horrible evaluation since it didn't take too long for him to return his usual self.
That said you can even reanimate hitler and recruit him for all that I care, but as soul pointed out don't expect people to consider your clan somewhat worthy to stick with

[capodecima]

Regarding the FW fiasco yeah, I accepted to join his clan approx. one year ago when it looked like he changed for the better, which was indeed a horrible evaluation since it didn't take too long for him to return his usual self.

The true when you joined, i told you "i dislike you, but i want you in clan". I basically used you just bcz i wanted play scrim on zan so bad, and mostly my members really dislike zandronum. You could never be invited if i dont started play zandronum.

[John Zombie]

you didn't say any of that, but thanks for the intense story nonetheless

also good job at getting suspended, rofl

[Tenchu]

This drama is really lame, you guys suck at entertaining me. I miss my Skulldrama :(

[Catastrophe]

And this is why I left.

[Samurai]

VGL was never exactly the most skilled clan (no disrespect), but it was always respected as a clan for finding players and building them up (Mastodon for example), it was a clan with relativly no drama either, and nobody really had a bad word to say about them.

As said above, all this changed when HTG/IdeIdoom left and handed the reigns to alienoverlord. He's tarnished a good clans name with recruiting cheaters into his clan, adding fine specimens such as adding capodecima and thomas to their rooster, and ragequitting scrims because they are losing. If alienoverlord really wants to go down this path then fine, but maybe he should go and make his own clan and do it rather than ruin a clan that's been around years before he was even around himself.

This isn't trolling or whatever, it's just the general opinion of an outsider looking into this travesty you call a clan, and your laughable leadership abilities.

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Also I am "an americans friend" .... What?

I don't differenciate on people depending on what part of the world they come from, were not all racists aside from what you think in your little corner of the world. Also what is you problem against Americans as I seem to see you bring it up in a lot of your arguments, maybe you're just pissed because they won't send any military assistance to help you fend off the russians

That is trolling btw, if you didn't notice the difference ...

[SwordGrunt]

This drama is really lame, you guys suck at entertaining me. I miss my Skulldrama :(

ya this isn't even making me laugh, skulltag forums were more amusing than even capo himself

[ZZYZX]

As said above, all this changed when HTG/IdeIdoom left and handed the reigns to alienoverlord.

It's not like I think that was a good idea either, but you know, HTG didn't ask anyone when he suddenly decided to make his wet dream happen and revive TE, while leaving me in almost-dead VGL.

He's tarnished a good clans name with recruiting cheaters

...which were kicked as soon as I got actual proof of them cheating, not some random talk of random person on the internet that might know something, but as well might not have even a slightest idea.

adding fine specimens such as adding capodecima and thomas to their rooster

LOL, rooster!

Anyway, not giving a chance to someone because of prejudices is the worst thing one can do, especially if that would mean entirely banning the person from playing CTF (as private CTF is severely disrupted by Water's bullshit and no other clan would accept these people in order to play scrims; not mentioning public CTF since it's a complete mess and in addition to that happens rarely).

What I'm doing is not destroying VGL. In fact what I'm doing is further continuation/evolution of VGL's idea, to recruit people no one would even care about otherwise.

and ragequitting scrims because they are losing

This happened exactly once as far as I know, and you claimed it was XuSeS (a.k.a. Master). I asked him and he said he didn't do it, and I overall don't believe that he'd ragequit (he's hardly competitive enough to care about losing).

If alienoverlord really wants to go down this path then fine, but maybe he should go and make his own clan and do it rather than ruin a clan that's been around years before he was even around himself.

Maybe he should. There's nothing to ruin, as there's nothing left from first and even second and third VGL. There are small parts of fourth VGL (i.e. HTG's one), but they are mostly inactive and probably would leave to TE too if they weren't.

Also I am "an americans friend" .... What?

I mean that so far most people that tend to judge about others' mental capabilities are located in America (i.e. US, Brazil, Mexico, etc). Typical euro won't even think about such matters. I don't know, maybe it's America's national problem so the first thought that comes to mind once they see something wrong (from their point of view, as "wrong" is always subjective) is YOU'RE JUST STUPID.

I don't mean that everyone should agree with me. But I'd like people to say "what you're doing is wrong" instead of "youre fucking autistic retard, go kill yourself for humanity's good". Difference, eh?

[Catastrophe]

The laughing stock of CTF ladies and gentlemen. Give it up for Autism Overload!

[Ruin]

I mean that so far most people that tend to judge about others' mental capabilities are located in America (i.e. US, Brazil, Mexico, etc). Typical euro won't even think about such matters. I don't know, maybe it's America's national problem so the first thought that comes to mind once they see something wrong (from their point of view, as "wrong" is always subjective) is YOU'RE JUST STUPID.

I don't mean that everyone should agree with me. But I'd like people to say "what you're doing is wrong" instead of "youre fucking autistic retard, go kill yourself for humanity's good". Difference, eh?

That is a very narrow minded accusation friend. Hate to break it to you, but insults aren't limited to one continent. I'm not a fan of sweeping generalizations. Try judging people based on individual character instead. Do carry on with the pointless drama though :^)

[Nati46]

adding fine specimens such as adding capodecima and thomas to their rooster

LOL, rooster!

Anyway, not giving a chance to someone because of prejudices is the worst thing one can do, especially if that would mean entirely banning the person from playing CTF (as private CTF is severely disrupted by Water's bullshit and no other clan would accept these people in order to play scrims; not mentioning public CTF since it's a complete mess and in addition to that happens rarely).

What I'm doing is not destroying VGL. In fact what I'm doing is further continuation/evolution of VGL's idea, to recruit people no one would even care about otherwise.

It is not due to prejudice. Both players in question continued their usual behavior after joining your clan. I don't believe in prejudice either but they already had their chance and still stayed the same which is why it is irking that you let them stay in your clan.
And uh no wirt's and probably htg's vgl definitely wouldn't have done the same, In fact iirc capo was rejected way back in '11 after he was kicked from EL. The VGL you are leading is totally different from the VGL we all knew in that aspect.

[John Zombie]

It would've been way easier for him if he just admitted to recruit cheaters/complete dumbasses out of desperation in an attempt to win at least one single match, but for some reason he prefers to make a fool of himself by arguing that black is white

[HTG]

Honestly alien just stop before you go any further. This is beyond stupid

[ZZYZX]

Honestly alien just stop before you go any further. This is beyond stupid

Sorry HTG, I don't have anything personal against you but what you did was worse than what I'm doing. At least with me people actually have opportunity to play Doom.

Also lol'd at JZ's post, getting too fat even for this thread.

with this I stop posting on this matter here; if you have any questions, re-read my previous posts, those are large enough

[HTG]

Honestly alien just stop before you go any further. This is beyond stupid

Sorry HTG, I don't have anything personal against you but what you did was worse than what I'm doing. At least with me people actually have opportunity to play Doom.

What did I do worse than you? I don't get what you're trying to say here lol.

[ZZYZX]

What did I do worse than you? I don't get what you're trying to say here lol.

Damn, I got used to talking with SwiftShot and Catastrophe this whole day and went hurr hurr at your post lol. Thought you were also accusing me of bad leadership, if that's not the case, then I'm sorry. If it is, then the previous post applies tho.

[Vivid]

LOL, rooster!

Anyway, not giving a chance to someone because of prejudices is the worst thing one can do, especially if that would mean entirely banning the person from playing CTF (as private CTF is severely disrupted by Water's bullshit and no other clan would accept these people in order to play scrims; not mentioning public CTF since it's a complete mess and in addition to that happens rarely).

What I'm doing is not destroying VGL. In fact what I'm doing is further continuation/evolution of VGL's idea, to recruit people no one would even care about otherwise.

I just want to clarify that Capo and Thomas have the worst reputation for being equally unique in their ability to display an unusual air of intelligence. Though I am sure anyone would pick Thomas only if he was kept on a very short leash, unfortunately there's no guarantee they will behave for anyone for any given reason which makes them impossible to work with over extended periods. Their only real chance was One-Shot's revival in 2012 and that fell apart because of internal fighting. Capo is a huge liability for his rage (such as ragequitting mid games or throwing games in general) and is habitually unreliable once he does not get his way.

I don't know a whole lot and you can recruit whoever it is you wish, but bare in mind there's a reason why people are prejudice and never believe it isn't justified in this situation. Capo is notorious for hilarious antics and have a twitter dedicated to the things he says.

Also Water hurt priv? Are you referring to your extremely unnecessary outburst during the stat games that showed you were very harmful to a CTF team?

I mean that so far most people that tend to judge about others' mental capabilities are located in America (i.e. US, Brazil, Mexico, etc). Typical euro won't even think about such matters. I don't know, maybe it's America's national problem so the first thought that comes to mind once they see something wrong (from their point of view, as "wrong" is always subjective) is YOU'RE JUST STUPID.

I don't mean that everyone should agree with me. But I'd like people to say "what you're doing is wrong" instead of "youre fucking autistic retard, go kill yourself for humanity's good". Difference, eh?

I suppose you're speaking about particular users known for being ruthlessly insensitive and malicious?

[ZZYZX]

Also Water hurt priv? Are you referring to your extremely unnecessary outburst during the stat games that showed you were very harmful to a CTF team?

Nope, I meant that after Water killed his servers people stopped playing priv without stats, or at least felt somewhat unhappy about it. I personally have seen at least 4 people that said "meh, server without stats, I won't play until someone revives ELO". Not sure about all the other priv players though, I could as well sleep during the games or priv happens rarely only during the last week or two.

Let's be real, son.

I've only had the displeasure of playing CTF with you twice, and it was an awful experience each time.

You're a terrible example to follow

Yes (and I'm serious). Yo, kids, don't try this at home. Mom will be very angry.

You're more aggressive, obnoxious, and dickish than I am.

Is that bad or good? Anyway, it doesn't matter. Yes, I'm dickish once my clan and me get attacked by people that don't know anything yet are somehow concerned with who I recruit or not. (also I'm just bored today, can you imagine, didn't even have one valid game, the competition has totally died out)

Quit reviving this shitty clan over and over, make a clean start for yourself.

Or don't.

I rather won't make a clean start. In most cases a clean start is just an illusion, it's like promising yourself to stop smoking on the next Monday and start a new life. It'll all return eventually, so there's no point.

[Vivid]

Also Water hurt priv? Are you referring to your extremely unnecessary outburst during the stat games that showed you were very harmful to a CTF team?

Nope, I meant that after Water killed his servers people stopped playing priv without stats, or at least felt somewhat unhappy about it. I personally have seen at least 4 people that said "meh, server without stats, I won't play until someone revives ELO". Not sure about all the other priv players though, I could as well sleep during the games or priv happens rarely only during the last week or two.

Priv was barely pulsating and now the only motivation and incentive has been removed which showed the true state of affairs it is in. Water didn't do anything wrong so far as it's just how the competitive scene in all ports are.

[IdeIdoom]

You're a terrible example to follow

Yes (and I'm serious). Yo, kids, don't try this at home. Mom will be very angry.

And that's what he means "A terrible example to follow". You don't even stay serious and admit what you have done wrong. You just make some stupid comments and then everyone thinks you are stupid.
And he meant an example to be followed by your members. 'Cause you are the leader.

You're more aggressive, obnoxious, and dickish than I am.

Is that bad or good? Anyway, it doesn't matter. Yes, I'm dickish once my clan and me get attacked by people that don't know anything yet are somehow concerned with who I recruit or not. (also I'm just bored today, can you imagine, didn't even have one valid game, the competition has totally died out)

Yeah, but being dickish and refusing what have you done won't get you far either.

Quit reviving this shitty clan over and over, make a clean start for yourself.

Or don't.

I rather won't make a clean start. In most cases a clean start is just an illusion, it's like promising yourself to stop smoking on the next Monday and start a new life. It'll all return eventually, so there's no point.

But you haven't seen the other half of people that did smoke, but never did after. You just look at life in groups while in reality, life's unique with every specimen. You need to open your eyes more and see the world.