Ghouls vs Humans: Legacy of Darkness /w Addon: v1.4b -- NEW!

[Catastrophe]

Ghoul nerf incoming

[Sirion]

I want to thank Ivan for ruining GvH a second time.
Yes.....a FUCKING second time.

The ghouls are OP again, nothing new since NS. But the maps are also getting too complex and too large with each release (Look at the GVHNS maps,......RIDICOLOUS). And Cyborg? Jesus christ superstar, he has now to change his FUCKING weapons to use pulse and cant even use his jet!

Now let's move on to the most fucked up class: the Impaler.
The first time playing this class I thought: "Is this guy serious? Its OP AS FUCK AND RAPES EVERYTHING IMMEDIATELY".
HELL NO, he is not only OP, he also blocks his OWN FUCKING TEAM MATES.
But hey, at least Ivan didnt give him 120+ HP, right?

And the game crashes? Is it that hard to change a bit of the NS acs source to make it work properly without crashing?
RIDICOLOUS.

THANK YOU IVAN, YOU ARE MY HERO.

[Gardevoir]

I wanted to give some feedback about how stuff plays and everything, but since Ivan can't even listen to negative opinions (that unfortunately later turn into overwhelming whining because Ivan simply "blah blah you suck get some life") I decided to only tell this is the biggest piece of crap I have ever "played", because I can't really tell it's playable as is. I agree with the post above in 100%.

[Slyfox]

I want to thank Ivan for ruining GvH a second time.
Yes.....a FUCKING second time.

Ok

The ghouls are OP again, nothing new since NS. But the maps are also getting too complex and too large with each release (Look at the GVHNS maps,......RIDICOLOUS). And Cyborg? Jesus christ superstar, he has now to change his FUCKING weapons to use pulse and cant even use his jet!

Yo, if you didn't read the thread they said they're going to make those maps smaller; and you can still use his pulse in inventory btw [iirc]

Now let's move on to the most fucked up class: the Impaler.
The first time playing this class I thought: "Is this guy serious? Its OP AS FUCK AND RAPES EVERYTHING IMMEDIATELY".
HELL NO, he is not only OP, he also blocks his OWN FUCKING TEAM MATES.
But hey, at least Ivan didnt give him 120+ HP, right?

Hes balancing it, he even read your half-critique half reasonless-badmouthing and we told him that he was quite op as well

And the game crashes? Is it that hard to change a bit of the NS acs source to make it work properly without crashing?
RIDICOLOUS.

To be fair he said that its a bug in the port itself, and that 1.1 might be able to fix that exact problem

THANK YOU IVAN, YOU ARE MY HERO.

You are just that most annoying type of person, you know that right

Give him a chance man, its 1v BETA, not 1v Final with absolutely everything fixed.


Edit:

I wanted to give some feedback about how stuff plays and everything, but since Ivan can't even listen to negative opinions (that unfortunately later turn into overwhelming whining because Ivan simply "blah blah you suck get some life") I decided to only tell this is the biggest piece of crap I have ever "played", because I can't really tell it's playable as is. I agree with the post above in 100%.

Yo man, if ivan won't listen, catastrophe will! hes not the only one working on this y'know you don't need this lame excuse the bash the wad without even stating any problems

[Ivan]

Well as I said before, I do care about your criticism. But when you go "hurr everything sucks ghouls op ahaha we win always you suck at balance" that is not proper criticisism. I'd love it if you gave some time, because good things don't happen instantly.

[Gardevoir]

I wanted to give some feedback about how stuff plays and everything, but since Ivan can't even listen to negative opinions (that unfortunately later turn into overwhelming whining because Ivan simply "blah blah you suck get some life") I decided to only tell this is the biggest piece of crap I have ever "played", because I can't really tell it's playable as is. I agree with the post above in 100%.

Yo man, if ivan won't listen, catastrophe will! hes not the only one working on this y'know you don't need this lame excuse the bash the wad without even stating any problems

Yeah, and I hope Catastrophe can turn this mod into something decent. However, due to Ivan's attitude, I'm not going to help. Sorry but I just can't.

Edit: Ivan, if you could only listen to me, and not start a flamewar, I could tell you everything, but since you take everything as "hurr everything sucks ghouls op ahaha we win always you suck at balance" (I never said such thing) then good job.

Quick Edit2: not to mention your clan buddies only making it worse.

Edit of edit : oh I just noticed you "care" about my criticism Ivan, good to know, too bad you didn't before.

[Catastrophe]

I want to thank Ivan for ruining GvH a second time.
Yes.....a FUCKING second time.

Yet, you are still playing as we speak.

The ghouls are OP again, nothing new since NS.

Thank you for not telling us what we need to nerf.

But the maps are also getting too complex and too large with each release

You do realize that there are no new maps, and ALL of ivans maps were either removed, or shrunk.

(Look at the GVHNS maps,......RIDICOLOUS). And Cyborg? Jesus christ superstar, he has now to change his FUCKING weapons to use pulse and cant even use his jet!

You realize being able to pulse during flight was a bug to begin with. So yes, you're spoiled.

Now let's move on to the most fucked up class: the Impaler.
The first time playing this class I thought: "Is this guy serious? Its OP AS FUCK AND RAPES EVERYTHING IMMEDIATELY".
HELL NO, he is not only OP, he also blocks his OWN FUCKING TEAM MATES.

AS I SAID BEFORE HES GETTING NERFED MR. ALL CAPS

And the game crashes? Is it that hard to change a bit of the NS acs source to make it work properly without crashing?
RIDICOLOUS.

It's a bug with Zandronum itself, also if you had half a brain you'd realize it's DECORATE related.

[Ariados]

Horrible.....just.....horrible.....please fix this mod soon. It hurts to play.

[Slyfox]

Horrible.....just.....horrible.....please fix this mod soon. It hurts to play.

Nice, love the explanation of why
very ensuring indeed

[Ariados]

Horrible.....just.....horrible.....please fix this mod soon. It hurts to play.

Nice, love the explanation of why
very ensuring indeed

- It sucks that you are now forced to switch between weapons just to use the "item", that only existed in NS. For example: Choke (has now to change weapons to use vomit.). This makes it more difficult for ghouls to use the whole attack variety.

- The class Impaler ruins the whole gameplay with his pillars blocking his own team mates. He is also too quiet and too hard to see. He can easily camp on stairs and rape everyone who passes by. Make him more visible.
He has no chance against 3D floors or Cyborgs that camp on other objects/actors.
But the health is ok.

- Why did you remove the barbarian? He had a good concept, but was kinda poor programmed. (Buggy GLDefs, left SFX actors on floor ect. ect.)

- I dont know what causes the server crashes, but try to fix them. It sucks to play and crashing every 5 or 10 minutes.

You want moar?

[Catastrophe]

- It sucks that you are now forced to switch between weapons just to use the "item", that only existed in NS. For example: Choke (has now to change weapons to use vomit.). This makes it more difficult for ghouls to use the whole attack variety.

That was made because not everyone has gaming mice, using weapon switching on a mouse is actually a lot better than inventory. Just get used to it.

- The class Impaler ruins the whole gameplay with his pillars blocking his own team mates. He is also too quiet and too hard to see. He can easily camp on stairs and rape everyone who passes by. Make him more visible.
He has no chance against 3D floors or Cyborgs that camp on other objects/actors.
But the health is ok.

-Ok the nerf patch makes impalers spikes pass through.

-Go take a screenshot of the supposed "3d floor", and tell me if it actually happens.

-He can climb on top of trees and such, so there's no problem there.

- Why did you remove the barbarian? He had a good concept, but was kinda poor programmed. (Buggy GLDefs, left SFX actors on floor ect. ect.)

He's a melee human, which makes absolute no sense since the entire balance of GvH is range vs melee.

- I dont know what causes the server crashes, but try to fix them. It sucks to play and crashing every 5 or 10 minutes.

I think this patch *might* fix it.

You want moar?

Go ahead.

@everyone else, yo I'm completely open to suggestions as long as you can elaborate on what we should do. So no, "GHOULS OP XDXD HURR DURR", instead go "Ghouls are op, because...."

[EnsaladaDeTomate]

Hmm i was specting something better in this "Continuation of the Nordic Saga", but since i saw how is this going, i have to say that i want the Nordic Saga back....... The impaler was a very dissapointing thing for me, the Defiler looks much better than it atm, it shouldnt been removed, n the only good thing from the Impaler is the Gb's upgrade weapon (looks better n realisitc :P)

Well, atm the Ghoustbuster still with 135 ammo (sucks for me), i stopped from playing gvh ns since they ruined it (i was a gb player at that time).... i hope to see him with 150 ammo back.

Hope this mod will get better soon, since no1 could make a REAL revival of GVH.

Btw i hope u guys like my criticism (sorry for my horrible english btw)

[Catastrophe]

Ok, we should be getting new defiler sprites soon.

Ghost buster now has 150 ammo :)

Speaking of changes, here are the changes so far. Please post if you disagree or need something else added.

* Hunter super lightning arrow damage reduced by 10.
* Cyborg cell recharge speed increased by 2 tics.
* Ghostbuster has 150 cells again.
* Ghostbuster rock cannon projectile speed has been increased by 2.
* Engineer's Pulverizer damage increased by 2.
* Santa starts with 6 star ammo now.
* Fixed a bug with Warlock not getting any souls for kills with new alt fire of lightning hands.
* Void sphere direct hit damage increased by 5.
* Void sphere lightning damage has been increased by 3.
* Warlock's big fire ball speed increased by 5.
* Warlock's small fire ball speed increased by 1.
* Warlock's big fire ball can go through humans now.
* Fixed a dispenser message related to PW.
* Fixed a bug with PW's blades that made them do no damage sometimes.
* Moved cooldown messages of PW to center.
* Updated weapon tip for PW to reflect how much Energy Point his abilities required.
* Buffed PW's shotgun damage per pellet by 1.

* Jitterskull's health reduced to 130.
* Creeper's stun ball duration reduced by 8 tics.
* Choke's health is reduced to 125.
* Choke heals 1 point less now.
* Frostbite's ice rain has been removed.
* His breath recharge amount is now 2.
* Impaler's spikes are no longer solid.
* Impaler health reduced to 75.

* Fixed a bug with achievement list resetting your achievements when you spectate.
* Moved achievement display a bit higher on screen.
* Fixed some animation bugs. (GVHNS08)

[katZune]

I feel this is better than NS, they are FIXING, don't want a new beta each hour, that's dumb, all classes are ok, i mean it dont need a lot of new classes,

[Catastrophe]

It'll be a patch, not an entire new core.

[Ariados]

* Santa starts with 6 star ammo now.
* Warlock's big fire ball can go through humans now.
* Buffed PW's shotgun damage per pellet by 1.
* Jitterskull's health reduced to 130.
* Choke's health is reduced to 125.
* Creeper's stun ball duration reduced by 8 tics.

I am not ok with those points:

- Santa has already enough star ammo + dispenser from each engineer.
You shouldnt encourage spamming, because the star launcher is also quite strong.

- Why should exactly this projectile fly through the humans but not the other ones? This makes no sense at all, dont turn the big fire ball into a ripper. It's strong too, and it would just make it too strong, especially in a small room with many players.

- I'd say the damage dealt by the PW's shotgun is ok like it is right now, so dont change it, it may unbalance important stuff related to the PW class.

- Why dou want to reduce the Jitterskulls health by 20 (TWENTY) points It's way too much, let it be 150 hp or make it 140/145 hp.
Jitterskull is already weak enough in wide open areas.

- Same goes for Choke. Seriously? 30 HP Do it the same as Jitter.

- 8 tics are a quarter of a second. Thats too much. The duration how it is, is fine. Let it stay like it is.

It seems like you guys just randomly change values of the each classes to hope the result will be a balanced patch, but it wont be unless you take care of the feedback of the players.

And please dont change too much stuff at once. Those changes need a lot of time until you can say: "Heh, we shouldnt have done this / It was a good idea to do this". The less you change at once, the better the view on the overall replayability and fun of GvH.

[Catastrophe]

- Santa has already enough star ammo + dispenser from each engineer.
You shouldnt encourage spamming, because the star launcher is also quite strong.

Back to 5.

- Why should exactly this projectile fly through the humans but not the other ones? This makes no sense at all, dont turn the big fire ball into a ripper. It's strong too, and it would just make it too strong, especially in a small room with many players.

No, it only passes through humans, so it'll still explode on the first ghoul it touches.

- I'd say the damage dealt by the PW's shotgun is ok like it is right now, so dont change it, it may unbalance important stuff related to the PW class.

Well a majority of the server said it was too weak. Plus, it's only one point.

- Why dou want to reduce the Jitterskulls health by 20 (TWENTY) points It's way too much, let it be 150 hp or make it 140/145 hp.
Jitterskull is already weak enough in wide open areas.

Jiterskull's health is now 135, the health nerf will stay.

- Same goes for Choke. Seriously? 30 HP Do it the same as Jitter.

You gotta keep in mind that choke instantly heals on every munch, so his health can be easily replenished.

- 8 tics are a quarter of a second. Thats too much. The duration how it is, is fine. Let it stay like it is.

Ok.

It seems like you guys just randomly change values of the each classes to hope the result will be a balanced patch, but it wont be unless you take care of the feedback of the players.

Nah, we change it based on our experiences, and for quality purposes we both HAVE to agree on the change.

And please dont change too much stuff at once. Those changes need a lot of time until you can say: "Heh, we shouldnt have done this / It was a good idea to do this". The less you change at once, the better the view on the overall replayability and fun of GvH.

It's fine, tbh we can easily undo anything with a 10KB or less patch.

[katZune]

just one thing, i feel the chaingun so useless, maybe more damage but less ammo? is too slow to attack but maybe can be compensated for be stronger

[Ivan]

I urge everyone to join our testing session on BE server with the new patch. I'm pretty sure it's better now.

[CloudFlash]

I don't like that NS map with tabadam music. Tyrade of War, I think. That might be because of lack of the realism. Maps in cities, fine. Maps in forest, fine. Map in the realm of Gods, with no real reason for ghouls to appear in, and even less reasons for humans to live in, not fine. Maps shouldn't be all about the looks, they are better when they make sense. On most maps even something as small as adding empty graves adds to the realism and the gravity of the situation. ...the.