Ghouls vs Humans: Legacy of Darkness /w Addon: v1.4b -- NEW!

[katZune]

[*]Why does the Icefiend use stupid sprites with rotations in them? Looks more like a regular Doom monster instead of a scary, brutal Ghoul. I suggest you look for new sprites.

they have said thousand of times that they need better sprites, TBH icefiend need luck + skill, one hit can kill you if all spikes hit the human, but nobody stay in one spot when they are being attacked

[Cruduxy]

Stand still? It instakills me when am walking and if I stand still I can survive too many of them.. still very op ranged attack

[Sirion]

I'm considering redoing icefiend just like defiler, toss around ideas guys.

I'd personally remove Icefiend completely and replace it with a Stealth Ghoul that has a much better concept, not just redoing it.
And it should have no stupid ranged attacks.

[katZune]

I'm considering redoing icefiend just like defiler, toss around ideas guys.

I'd personally remove Icefiend completely and replace it with a Stealth Ghoul that has a much better concept, not just redoing it.
And it should have no stupid ranged attacks.

actually ranged attack isn't bad idea, its good against campers (ghoul buster, cybord when stand in a high spot etc.) a good example can be that map (abandoned school?) where humans camp in the bathroom, i think those attack are ok but need another weapon for make him more efficent

[Catastrophe]

Just go frostbite for range

[katZune]

isn't the same thing, since Spikes can go through the window easy, the ice breath have the worst accuracy and the mortar is ok, if it don't explode in the air without any reason but yeah, icefiend need new things or be replaced, but is the only good weapons against campers because of it stealth

[Tux]

TBH while I can be devastating with Frostbite, Icefiend for me is one of the worst classes. IMO he really should be remade...

...why?

1. Look at melee of every original ghoul. What do you see? Their attacks are instant while he must charge for a while. That exposes you to damage.
2. About melee - really, simple DMG buff won't help. Don't think that range will too.
3. With it's current damage you can't decrease charge time.
4. His spikes are like a russian roulette, sometimes he will score a frag with one shot, another time he needs 10 of them.
5. Spikes are slow.
6. Damage or speed buff won't help as well. Why do I think so? Well, humans need to stay inside spike to get hurt. Speed increase means that they will get less damaged while damage buff still won't help shit. Buffing both will make him OP...

[CloudFlash]

Why not erase icefiend completely? His melee sucks, his ranged sucks, his sprites sucks, he is second ice ghoul which sucks too...
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...electric ghoul from page 11 of this thread? :>

[Sirion]

TBH while I can be devastating with Frostbite, Icefiend for me is one of the worst classes. IMO he really should be remade...

...why?

1. Look at melee of every original ghoul. What do you see? Their attacks are instant while he must charge for a while. That exposes you to damage.
2. About melee - really, simple DMG buff won't help. Don't think that range will too.
3. With it's current damage you can't decrease charge time.
4. His spikes are like a russian roulette, sometimes he will score a frag with one shot, another time he needs 10 of them.
5. Spikes are slow.
6. Damage or speed buff won't help as well. Why do I think so? Well, humans need to stay inside spike to get hurt. Speed increase means that they will get less damaged while damage buff still won't help shit. Buffing both will make him OP...

This sums it up very good.
Icefiend is basicly a bad Doom monster, not a Ghoul.
Thats why I'm afraid that the new class will be similiar to Icefiend.

But you guys should really take a look on the addon classes for GvH:
Yurei, Soul Harvester, Clowny, Jugulum, Cybervampire, Emtalic, Iodsa and so on. There are SO MANY OTHER GHOULS with AWESOME ideas, but quite bad execution. Why not take a Ghoul from there and make it really good and perfect for the current gameplay?

[CloudFlash]

Well, about those addon classes:...
-Yurei: Super cool concept, but op ranged, and lots of screamers which will force all pansies to rage spectate before the round begins. Also takes very long to kill.
-Soul Harvester: (see: Impaler)
-Clowny: Not working stealth, bad weapon sprite.
-Jugulum: Flying ranged. No thx.
-CyberVampire: ... ... ...what the fuck is CyberVampire? I'm kinda outdated or what
-Emtalic: ... ... It plays very nice and all, but... this sprite.... :/
-Iodsa: Very cool, but unfortunately its a ranged ghoul. Meh.
I would love to see a Naraki ghoul, or whatever this wolf one was spelled. Except that its altfire sucked badly. It should be something like ranged bite or something like choke's fire + +FLOORHUGGER.

[Sirion]

-Clowny: Not working stealth, bad weapon sprite.

I meant the NS Clowny, he was great and had awesome execution, but was quite OP and hard to control with his weird HUD.

[Ivan]

-Clowny: Not working stealth, bad weapon sprite.

I meant the NS Clowny, he was great and had awesome execution, but was quite OP and hard to control with his weird HUD.

NS didn't have a clowny, it was still an addon.

[Sirion]

-CyberVampire: ... ... ...what the fuck is CyberVampire? I'm kinda outdated or what

I made an example video:

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Its probably the most annoying Ghoul, but it's fun as hell.
You are a flying Cybervampire (lol), being pushed on your own, so you cant control him with your movement keys, making it really hard to control.
He can melee, like every other ghoul.

But his altfire makes him dangerous: He can shoot a tiny bat, that does little damage, but can morph any hit human into a helpless bat for a few seconds. If the human gets morphed, he should take his legs and fly aways as fast as he can, because hes a very easy target (sadly bots are not that smart, they try to melee you, see video).

Cybervampire is annoying, hard to control and a Ghoul supporter.
I really enjoyed him, mostly because he is indeed weird, but he was quite OP because he had endless bat ammo.

[Ivan]

-CyberVampire: ... ... ...what the fuck is CyberVampire? I'm kinda outdated or what

I made an example video:

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Its probably the most annoying Ghoul, but it's fun as hell.
You are a flying Cybervampire (lol), being pushed on your own, so you cant control him with your movement keys, making it really hard to control.
He can melee, like every other ghoul.

But his altfire makes him dangerous: He can shoot a tiny bat, that does little damage, but can morph any hit human into a helpless bat for a few seconds. If the human gets morphed, he should take his legs and fly aways as fast as he can, because hes a very easy target (sadly bots are not that smart, they try to melee you, see video).

Cybervampire is annoying, hard to control and a Ghoul supporter.
I really enjoyed him, mostly because he is indeed weird, but he was quite OP because he had endless bat ammo.

I think we've said this many times, we won't add anything directly from the addons. If you want more addons go play the addon wad.

[katZune]

ok just a questions: how frostbite armor work? i mean if you have 200 the damage that you take is low or doesn't count how many you have?

oh and a suggestion, what about to make creeper timed? i mean something like this, by each and half minute (or one if you want) that you are inactive ( i mean you haven't killed anyone) the creeper will be more visible, or maybe do a sound (like the old one, loud) that would make the match more faster, since i have seen matchs that take even 15 minutes

[Tux]

ok just a questions: how frostbite armor work? i mean if you have 200 the damage that you take is low or doesn't count how many you have?

oh and a suggestion, what about to make creeper timed? i mean something like this, by each and half minute (or one if you want) that you are inactive ( i mean you haven't killed anyone) the creeper will be more visible, or maybe do a sound (like the old one, loud) that would make the match more faster, since i have seen matchs that take even 15 minutes

pls no

[Ivan]

ok just a questions: how frostbite armor work? i mean if you have 200 the damage that you take is low or doesn't count how many you have?

oh and a suggestion, what about to make creeper timed? i mean something like this, by each and half minute (or one if you want) that you are inactive ( i mean you haven't killed anyone) the creeper will be more visible, or maybe do a sound (like the old one, loud) that would make the match more faster, since i have seen matchs that take even 15 minutes

It's almost identical to the Doom's blue armor.

Also, that's not a very good solution to Creeper's stall potential. The thing is, the Creepers stall because they usually HAVE TO do it. Humans are being too campy or evasive force Creepers to take their time and slowly make their move. There really isn't much that can be done to prevent this unless the core of the class gets changed, which I highly doubt.

[Untitled]

I feel as if 200 Points of the frost armor is redundant, as only 120 of them can be used, since it's half protection. Also, the regeneration for the armor is pointless, since only 120 of the armor points can get used.

[Ivan]

I feel as if 200 Points of the frost armor is redundant, as only 120 of them can be used, since it's half protection. Also, the regeneration for the armor is pointless, since only 120 of the armor points can get used.

His health regenerates if below 20, up to 20, so it's not THAT useless.

[katZune]

so the armor is like the doom huh?, imho its useless have 200 since the lowest i could get is 120 - 140, and with luck, what about to make it something like:

200 - 180 : % of protection

180 - 150: % of protection

and so