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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0003289Doomseeker[All Projects] Suggestionpublic2017-10-03 19:272017-10-04 03:20
ReporterWubTheCaptain 
Assigned To 
PrioritylowSeveritymajorReproducibilityN/A
StatusclosedResolutiondenied 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version1.1 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0003289: Deprecate and remove IRC client
DescriptionDoomseeker includes a small IRC client. I propose it to be deprecated and later removed from Doomseeker.
Additional InformationBecause "yes".


  • It's feature creep. This is a server browser, damn it!

  • It has bugs: 0003283, 0003284, 0003285, 0003287, ...

  • It's very much "incomplete" in functionality for a 1.0 or 1.1 release of Doomseeker. 0003288, SSL/TLS connections, managing ignore lists, ...

  • It's not very powerful. Eventually people may start requesting more and more features to make it more powerful. Let's not even talk about IRCv3 feature compatibility, which a major portion of large networks and IRCds support these days.

  • I expect people to be using something else already. Be it IRC or something else. IRC – in all its ingenuity – probably has less users and interest with a regular gamer or non-developer than [insert proprietary communication protocol] or Mumble. Developers already probably use something else too, like a dedicated IRC client.

  • Removing or uninstalling unused software is an industry best practice for security.



I'm personally a heavy user of IRC, both Irssi and WeeChat clienst. Though I've been aware of the existence of an IRC client in Doomseeker since 1.0, I've never even opened the panel until today because I found it to be too inconvenient to use from there.
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User avatar (0018423)
Dusk (reporter)
2017-10-03 20:56
edited on: 2017-10-03 20:57

 I strongly disagree, because "no".

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It's feature creep. This is a server browser, damn it!

The server browser also contains a WAD downloader, which isn't related to browsing servers but make it easier to get involved with the Zandronum community. The IRC browser also serves this purpose.

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It has bugs: 0003283, 0003284, 0003285, 0003287, ...

One of those is a suggestion. The rest seem to be minor bugs that can be fixed.

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It's very much "incomplete" in functionality for a 1.0 or 1.1 release of Doomseeker. 0003288, SSL/TLS connections, managing ignore lists, ...

It's meant to be a basic client for basic needs. You don't need any of the listed functionality to drop into #zandronum for a quick question.

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It's not very powerful. Eventually people may start requesting more and more features to make it more powerful. Let's not even talk about IRCv3 feature compatibility, which a major portion of large networks and IRCds support these days.

But they haven't, and the client has been around for a long time.

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I expect people to be using something else already. Be it IRC or something else.

#zandronum right now has 94 users. 9 of which reported to use the Doomseeker IRC client when I did a channel CTCP VERSION request.
User avatar (0018426)
ibm5155 (reporter)
2017-10-04 00:55

 Q: It's feature creep. This is a server browser, damn it!
-No

Q: It has bugs: 0003283, 0003284, 0003285, 0003287, ...
- You decided to post all those bug reports in a single day and even at the same day decided to request devs to delete it? really?
And you didn't even report the alt gr + w that should show "?" but instead it pop up wadseeker ( I think, cant remember now D: )

Q: It's very much "incomplete" in functionality for a 1.0 or 1.1 release of Doomseeker. 0003288, SSL/TLS connections, managing ignore lists, ...
- It's irc, your finger will not break if you have missing emotes or security.

Q: It's not very powerful. Eventually people may start requesting more and more features to make it more powerful. Let's not even talk about IRCv3 feature compatibility, which a major portion of large networks and IRCds support these days.
-I just want a fast way to talk, and it's indeed a fast way to contact with people while you've doomseker opened.


Q:Removing or uninstalling unused software is an industry best practice for security.
- unused software from your point of view or from some obscure data analytics that you have that no other dev has?
User avatar (0018427)
Blzut3 (administrator)
2017-10-04 03:20

 The others said everything that needs to be said. Its purpose is to be a quick way to drop in and perhaps introduce people to IRC. The expectation is that power users will graduate to a stand alone client, but for many people it's all they need.

The only thing I can think of to add to this discussion is that our competition also has an IRC client for this purpose and it was a highly requested feature early in development.

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- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2017-10-03 19:27 WubTheCaptain New Issue
2017-10-03 19:31 WubTheCaptain Additional Information Updated View Revisions
2017-10-03 19:31 WubTheCaptain Additional Information Updated View Revisions
2017-10-03 19:37 WubTheCaptain Additional Information Updated View Revisions
2017-10-03 19:54 WubTheCaptain Additional Information Updated View Revisions
2017-10-03 20:12 WubTheCaptain Additional Information Updated View Revisions
2017-10-03 20:56 Dusk Note Added: 0018423
2017-10-03 20:56 Dusk Note Edited: 0018423 View Revisions
2017-10-03 20:57 Dusk Note Edited: 0018423 View Revisions
2017-10-04 00:55 ibm5155 Note Added: 0018426
2017-10-04 03:20 Blzut3 Note Added: 0018427
2017-10-04 03:20 Blzut3 Status new => closed
2017-10-04 03:20 Blzut3 Resolution open => denied




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