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0002839Zandronum[All Projects] Suggestionpublic2016-09-21 00:312016-10-09 16:59
Reporterlupo90 
Assigned To 
PriorityurgentSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
StatusclosedResolutionno change required 
PlatformMicrosoftOSWindowsOS VersionXP/Vista/7
Product Version2.1 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0002839: Callvote ban username timeLimit banReason
DescriptionNowadays I have encountered some spammers/spambots joining and ruining completely the matches in doom.
It happened already several times in 2 days to me.
This results to everyone being frustrated and loose all the match (think about a chillax 2-hour session)

I think it is strictly needed and quite urgent to add a simple:
'Callvote ban username timeLimit banReason' to let us users play and moderate these limit cases.

Be sure also to put a gui update in esc menu.
This is very necessary because spammers use to clone other users usernames and sometimes it is simply not easy/correct/doable to ban by username.

I hope this will be taken very seriously because it indeed is.
What is doom? A game. What do you do online with zandronum? Play doom online. What does happen when spammers come in? No more playable environment, people quit and stop playing, get nervous and mad. This will seriously ruin the environment and split an already minimalistic community. Let's save doom :-)

Also a filter to block 'text spammers' would be awesome. Max number of messages every 10 seconds: 3 - after that, ban 1 minute.
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2016-09-21 00:31lupo90New Issue
2016-09-21 01:29Ru5tK1ngNote Added: 0015675
2016-09-21 11:38lupo90Note Added: 0015681
2016-09-21 11:42lupo90Note Added: 0015682
2016-09-21 13:37UnknownNote Added: 0015683
2016-09-21 15:51UnknownNote Edited: 0015683bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=15683#r9532
2016-09-21 20:22FascistCatNote Added: 0015684
2016-09-21 20:23FascistCatNote Edited: 0015684bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=15684#r9534
2016-09-21 20:48Ru5tK1ngNote Added: 0015685
2016-09-25 15:59MarcaekNote Added: 0015703
2016-09-26 15:37UnknownNote Added: 0015707
2016-09-26 15:38UnknownNote Edited: 0015707bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=15707#r9554
2016-09-26 20:59UnknownNote Edited: 0015707bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=15707#r9557
2016-09-26 21:36WaTaKiDNote Added: 0015709
2016-09-26 21:37WaTaKiDNote Edited: 0015709bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=15709#r9559
2016-09-26 21:38WaTaKiDNote Edited: 0015709bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=15709#r9560
2016-09-26 23:11UnknownNote Added: 0015710
2016-10-09 16:59Ru5tK1ngNote Added: 0015847
2016-10-09 16:59Ru5tK1ngStatusnew => closed
2016-10-09 16:59Ru5tK1ngResolutionopen => no change required

Notes
(0015675)
Ru5tK1ng   
2016-09-21 01:29   
For the issue of banning people with similar names, you can ban by IDX in 3.0:
'http://zandronum.com/tracker/view.php?id=1209 [^]'

And duplicate names here:
'http://zandronum.com/tracker/view.php?id=144 [^]'
(0015681)
lupo90   
2016-09-21 11:38   
Thank you for your interest.

What I was talking about is a users command, not server-admin command.
I dont host any doom server and so do 99% of users.
So what I think it's strictly necessary very as fast as possible, is a callvote to ban a user, or better an integrated way to choose user by gui in multiplayer menu.

Also I have read both articles and I didn't find a way to get a player list with player idxs

Also, what Zandronum version use current servers found in DoomSeeker? 2.1 Stable I suppose?

Sorry in advance if I misunderstood - I am quite new, but I see actually no way to let people solve the situation when server-admin is not present (which is quite 100% of time if server is not hosted by a user himself)
(0015682)
lupo90   
2016-09-21 11:42   
OK here we are.
First match of the day:
'Ukito's Master Of Puppets (mop) Chillax' from germany.

The spammer was on yesterday, 2 days ago, and today as well.
The match is ruined, everyone is frustrated and quit now or later.

Please help us solve this asap.
(0015683)
Unknown   
2016-09-21 13:37   
(edited on: 2016-09-21 15:51)
Normal votekicks already ban the user for 10 minutes, i suggest extending that time to 30 minutes rather than allowing trolls to ban you for 24 hours .
(0015684)
FascistCat   
2016-09-21 20:22   
(edited on: 2016-09-21 20:23)
I think this is prone to being abusable by trolls. An alternative could be to increase the ban time automatically each time a vote reaches an affirmative decision to ban. That timer could be cleared each week or month, etc. in that particular server.

Maybe another possibility is to ban a player for the duration of the map (until the round ends or map change).
(0015685)
Ru5tK1ng   
2016-09-21 20:48   
Meant to comment earlier, but anyway we all see the problems that arise from people abusing 'callvote kick'. Can you imagine how bad it would be if they had access to something like 'callvote ban player x' where x could be minutes, days, months, years?

The best idea so far is extending the time beyond 10 minutes in some fashion.
(0015703)
Marcaek   
2016-09-25 15:59   
The spammer won't be deterred by extended ban lengths as they have access to some kind of proxy network and allegedly scripts to steal player names.

You can get player idx using playerinfo in the console.

"So what I think it's strictly necessary very as fast as possible, is a callvote to ban a user, or better an integrated way to choose user by gui in multiplayer menu."

I think an improved RCON utility with an better information handling and an actual interface rather than command line would be a great tool for dealing with this stuff, it's just plan a hassle getting idx and other info in a console while people are talking and playing the game and spamming and votekicking the wrong people before you have the chance to intervene. Who would create such a tool?
(0015707)
Unknown   
2016-09-26 15:37   
(edited on: 2016-09-26 20:59)
"allegedly scripts to steal player names"

Nope, they're using ZCC, I even tried it once, ZCC allows copying stuff from console, this includes players messages & / or Names .

EDIT : Whoever doesn't support this ticket is likely supporting votekicks abuse, I'm pretty sure ^^ .
(0015709)
WaTaKiD   
2016-09-26 21:36   
(edited on: 2016-09-26 21:38)
"Whoever doesn't support this ticket is likely supporting votekicks abuse, I'm pretty sure ^^ ."

please understand that, as previous people in this ticket have noted: try to imagine the trolls getting their hands on this vote and causing more damage than is already being done

while the intention behind suggesting this vote is just, i believe it is not the proper way to alleviate the issue and we should seek other options, such as:

not allowing new clients to call a vote immediately:'http://zandronum.com/tracker/view.php?id=2802 [^]'

and fixing the oversight mentioned in my note here:'http://zandronum.com/tracker/view.php?id=2838#c15673 [^]'

along with making it easier to distinguish between the real deal and their impersonator:'http://zandronum.com/tracker/view.php?id=144 [^]'
(0015710)
Unknown   
2016-09-26 23:11   
Oh i'm very sorry, I Confused this with that ticket, didn't pay attention to the op text :S

'http://zandronum.com/tracker/view.php?id=2801 [^]'
(0015847)
Ru5tK1ng   
2016-10-09 16:59   
Allowing players to specify a ban time is a very, very bad idea. There have been some tickets attended to that help with the current spamming/trolling problem. This isn't one of them.