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0000226Zandronum[All Projects] Bugpublic2010-12-05 17:092010-12-06 04:04
Reportertsukiyomaru0 
Assigned ToEruanna 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusclosedResolutiondenied 
PlatformMicrosoftOSWindowsOS VersionXP/Vista/7
Product Version98d 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0000226: Unlagged or Backwards Reconciliation?
DescriptionI had a lot of trouble with this. Why? Simple: Active it, and you are treated as "Lagged", just so it does the whole backwards reconciliation thing to doom everyone to defeat. Deactive, and you are normal.

While playing Cutmanmike's MM8BDM, in Roboenza mode, I was "tagged" at unimagineable distances. And that was only the BEGINNING of all problems! Afterwards, I could tag no one before me! It took me to wait two seconds before I could tag someone STANDING IN MY FACE.

Well, shit has hit the fan, so I made an experience: turned it off. Result? ALMOST EVERYTHING was accurate. Those players who still used Unlagged, could still abuse of it to tag, though, but my tagging was not affected anymore, it was all normal.

Thing is: Rename Unlagged to Backwards Reconciliation. It is easier to understand.

Also, I don't know if this exists already, but add a command for the server to force everyone to have Backwards Conciliation OFF. This is very usefull to prevent abuse in servers where many are aware of such problem and have a ping that is good enough to play the game.
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related to 0000184closed  Rename Unlagged to ZeroPing 
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Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-12-05 17:09tsukiyomaru0New Issue
2010-12-05 18:33unknownnaNote Added: 0000657
2010-12-05 18:41unknownnaNote Edited: 0000657bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=657#r326
2010-12-06 03:06tsukiyomaru0Note Added: 0000659
2010-12-06 03:08tsukiyomaru0Note Edited: 0000659bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=659#r328
2010-12-06 04:04EruannaNote Added: 0000660
2010-12-06 04:04EruannaStatusnew => closed
2010-12-06 04:04EruannaAssigned To => Eruanna
2010-12-06 04:04EruannaResolutionopen => denied
2011-02-18 20:46unknownnaRelationship addedrelated to 0000184
2012-06-09 13:22Torr SamahoCategoryGeneral => Bug

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(0000657)
unknownna   
2010-12-05 18:33   
(edited on: 2010-12-05 18:41)
I don't agree with you on this.

BTW, I don't think what you're experiencing has anything to do with unlagged, i.e., backwards reconciliation. From looking at the code, I see that the "tag" weapon in MM8BDM spawns a custom missile. In other words, it's not a hitscan weapon.

Fire:
ZOMA A 0 A_JumpIfNoAmmo("NoAmmo")
ZOMA A 0 A_FireCustomMissile("InfectMorpher",0,1,0,0)
ZOMA A 0 A_GunFlash
ZOMA BCDEFG 4
ZOMA HIA 3
Goto Ready+5
(0000659)
tsukiyomaru0   
2010-12-06 03:06   
(edited on: 2010-12-06 03:08)
Then explain the Long-Range tagging, lack of visible melee object and what so ever. And I am NOT the only experiencing that. Some with good ping (58 ms, 78 ms) have experienced the same. And, still, there's the fact that deactivating Unlagged REALLY reduced this negative impact in the gameplay.

The simple name "Unlagged" suggests to the player that they should turn that ON if they never experienced any lag, but it is the OTHER way around.
(0000660)
Eruanna   
2010-12-06 04:04   
We could be technical or we could speak in Lehman's terms. In any case, we need to communicate with our audience.

Since most people don't understand "technicality," or even want to, "unlagged" is just an easier name to attribute to something that basically does the same thing anyway.

The name stays.

And by the way, there is a way to force it off for everyone, server-side, already - sv_nounlagged true.