[split] [VGL] — Video Game Legends -VGL discussion

[capodecima]

Hmm he just joined better clan, its how it works, he was only player/member not leader or something.

[uggi121]

Is it really wrong to get bored of a clan ? :C
I didn't leave for a "better" clan , I left for a "new" clan. Also, this does't mean I won't come back to VGL in the future. Liam did join, and I will join again too, but not now

[Shane]

Isn't that... what you want? You seem to be trying to make a point on something significant but it would be more believable if you actually took your own clan seriously. Honestly I'm excited that players are being introduced to ctf and go off to join other clans, that means it shows a pocket of interest in competition for players who aren't even familiar with the community.

[ZZYZX]

Is it really wrong to get bored of a clan ? :C
I didn't leave for a "better" clan , I left for a "new" clan. Also, this does't mean I won't come back to VGL in the future. Liam did join, and I will join again too, but not now

1. I didn't mean that you left for a better clan, I said that you're contributing to TE being better and to VGL being worse.
2. Well yes, I personally don't understand how to get bored of VGL. That's my personal point of view though and I can't judge you for that.
3. Liam what? (didn't get that part at all, sorry)

Also I'm not upset at you if anything.

Isn't that... what you want? You seem to be trying to make a point on something significant but it would be more believable if you actually took your own clan seriously. Honestly I'm excited that players are being introduced to ctf and go off to join other clans, that means it shows a pocket of interest in competition for players who aren't even familiar with the community.

How do I take anything seriously in Doom? No, really, this isn't a troll question.

Also although it's very cool to introduce new people to competitive Doom, I don't really want that to be the only purpose of VGL's existence. First of all because over everything else I have my own game experience, and it's not, like, the best if we lose every single game. Not like I personally care for that, but I'm afraid that other people may want to leave the clan they can't win with.

[Nati46]

Wasn't Wirt the original creator of VGL? Atleast that is what I remembered until now...

[ZZYZX]

Is this even possible?

Yup.

Evidenced by it's rebirth over and over and over and over I suppose. You guys would make even Kirbonium (the original creator of VGL) hang his head in shame.

Poor Kirbonium, I feel sorry for him. Whoever that is. Also you're talking about the various reincarnations of VGL like that's something bad. Is it?

[Vivid]

Wasn't Wirt the original creator of VGL? Atleast that is what I remembered until now...

http://www.xfire.com/communities/vglegends

No no, it was Kirbonium.

[Zakken]

Wasn't Wirt the original creator of VGL? Atleast that is what I remembered until now...

No, Kirbonium created VGL. I was there, with my old clan DB with me, when he started it back in 2010... It is also sad how most of the VGL members don't even know who started it and when. That only reinforces the idea that everyone in this community should stop recycling old clan names that were never meant to belong to them in the first place. Guys, this is not the videogame industry where the only thing people want to see are sequels of the same things over and over! Be creative and come up with NEW names for your clans. Create a new identity for yourself instead of taking somebody else's, and stick to it. Maybe with that, you will evolve from just another clan-hopping mercenary to a well-established player who deserves respect.

This goes to Alien. If you want VGL to be taken seriously, then it all begins with you taking the clan seriously. You want VGL to be respected? Then don't let well-known troublemakers such as Chillsing and Capodecima into your clan (fun fact: Chillsing still has half-ops in #VGL and throws a fit while banning pretty much anyone who says something negative about him). You want people to stop leaving? Then practice and get good so people stop treating your clan like it will forever be low-tier (spoiler: it will). It's not the weak players who get the strong players to join forces with them, you know. It's the other strong players who are capable of that.

You don't understand how people could get bored of VGL? How about you take a look at how only 1/4 of the members even actively play Doom anymore, with most of them being extreme laggers and/or don't even play private CTF. Anyone in their sane mind would rather apply for more active and promising clans.

[Frits]

You don't understand how people could get bored of VGL? How about you take a look at how only 1/4 of the members even actively play Doom anymore, with most of them being extreme laggers and/or don't even play private CTF. Anyone in their sane mind would rather apply for more active and promising clans.

GG vgl, you reached the el / s point
:)

[one_Two]

For one thing VGL is older than 2010.

[Nati46]

For one thing VGL is older than 2010.

This is what I was thinking also, that wirt or someone created it before and kirb's VGL is the first revival, but I guess I was wrong....

[ZZYZX]

First, I don't understand how this:

That only reinforces the idea that everyone in this community should stop recycling old clan names that were never meant to belong to them in the first place. Guys, this is not the videogame industry where the only thing people want to see are sequels of the same things over and over! Be creative and come up with NEW names for your clans. Create a new identity for yourself instead of taking somebody else's, and stick to it.

relates to this:

Maybe with that, you will evolve from just another clan-hopping mercenary to a well-established player who deserves respect.

This goes to Alien. If you want VGL to be taken seriously, then it all begins with you taking the clan seriously. You want VGL to be respected? Then don't let well-known troublemakers such as Chillsing and Capodecima into your clan (fun fact: Chillsing still has half-ops in #VGL and throws a fit while banning pretty much anyone who says something negative about him).

Second, respect isn't bought by worshipping people living in american continent and taking their (I'd say pretty biased and overall invalid opinion) as your own. I have a quote of IdeIdoom somewhere... brb.
Right, here it is:

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<Nautilus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jewwKQdBQEs&list=TLrdDbMxygoQDZBgmEPV7PyTrgxUy1XIAl
<Nautilus> haha ideidoom MADE AN MLP VIDEO
<Emmure> serious business on irc today
<Emmure> anyways cool video
<IdeIdoom> not cool at all
<IdeIdoom> since it was in my "period"
<IdeIdoom> when I was bullied by those who hated bronies
<IdeIdoom> reason why I decided to not be one

That behavior is for the weak and is the main reason for which I dislike IdeIdoom.
Why I say specifically about americans here, is that the most euros known to me don't hate people at all (including Capo and Thomas) and are overall more concerned with playing Doom than with hating someone over the internet. In fact the only people I've seen complaining to me about them are either americans (not meaning U.S. here, but the whole two-part continent to the left of Europe) or americans' friends (example: SwiftShot, IdeIdoom).

You want people to stop leaving? Then practice and get good so people stop treating your clan like it will forever be low-tier (spoiler: it will). It's not the weak players who get the strong players to join forces with them, you know. It's the other strong players who are capable of that.

Yes.

You don't understand how people could get bored of VGL? How about you take a look at how only 1/4 of the members even actively play Doom anymore, with most of them being extreme laggers and/or don't even play private CTF. Anyone in their sane mind would rather apply for more active and promising clans.

...and so far VGL continues to be the most active competitive clan of this port, having up to 9 people at once with other clans either playing Prophunt or playing Fiesta or just being absent.



Conclusion: 2/10 learn to troll thinner.

[IdeIdoom]

Second, respect isn't bought by worshipping people living in american continent and taking their (I'd say pretty biased and overall invalid opinion) as your own. I have a quote of IdeIdoom somewhere... brb.
Right, here it is:

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<Nautilus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jewwKQdBQEs&list=TLrdDbMxygoQDZBgmEPV7PyTrgxUy1XIAl
<Nautilus> haha ideidoom MADE AN MLP VIDEO
<Emmure> serious business on irc today
<Emmure> anyways cool video
<IdeIdoom> not cool at all
<IdeIdoom> since it was in my "period"
<IdeIdoom> when I was bullied by those who hated bronies
<IdeIdoom> reason why I decided to not be one

That behavior is for the weak and is the main reason for which I dislike IdeIdoom.

Though I handled it wrongly at that time, that doesn't mean they did for my own bad. Heh, to be honest, I was blind to follow the trend and not realize what I've become. So I did for my own best (PS: The show got boring too).

While my "courageous" act happened, I did lead VGL better than you. And VGL has had people that didn't do troubles, while you recruit desperately people that usually do trouble. And that's not good. I would rather get ZH players than recruting the people Soul mentioned (I didn't get Thomas into TE, but he has done some trouble in it, most notable with the Co-Leader).

[ZZYZX]

While my "courageous" act happened, I did lead VGL better than you.

Holy censored shit... Really? With that leading-backed bullying just because Nautilus pointed at me and said "yo, there's your target"? That's not like something you usually do to your own members, you know. I may have caused some problems for other people (though mainly for people that are already playing this game incorrectly, e.g. caring about ragequits and stuff), but never caused problems for members of my clan, at least on purpose. Can't say the same about you.

And VGL has had people that didn't do troubles, while you recruit desperately people that usually do trouble. And that's not good. I would rather get ZH players than recruting the people Soul mentioned (I didn't get Thomas into TE, but he has done some trouble in it, most notable with the Co-Leader).

Please don't invent reasons for me if you don't know the real ones. Mine weren't anywhere near desperation (and I've recruited people from mods as well, btw).

[capodecima]

[quote=IdeIdoom]
I did lead VGL better than you.
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I can disagree here, you basically recruited only experienced players and when everyone left, you killed the clan. Welp you came with some message, doom ruined your life or something, but everyone know where is true. Alien is much more stable than you was when you led VGL.

[IdeIdoom]

While my "courageous" act happened, I did lead VGL better than you.

Holy censored shit... Really? With that leading-backed bullying just because Nautilus pointed at me and said "yo, there's your target"? That's not like something you usually do to your own members, you know. I may have caused some problems for other people (though mainly for people that are already playing this game incorrectly, e.g. caring about ragequits and stuff), but never caused problems for members of my clan, at least on purpose. Can't say the same about you.

And VGL has had people that didn't do troubles, while you recruit desperately people that usually do trouble. And that's not good. I would rather get ZH players than recruting the people Soul mentioned (I didn't get Thomas into TE, but he has done some trouble in it, most notable with the Co-Leader).

Please don't invent reasons for me if you don't know the real ones. Mine weren't anywhere near desperation (and I've recruited people from mods as well, btw).

You know I hate you the most, and that happened once. YOU KNOW I hate Thomas, and when he got in TE, I complained but treated him as any member, though he did come up some stupid shit.

I thought of kicking you for some time, but when I actually did kick you, EVERYONE came at me complaining.

Nautilus is still a fag, by the way. But he indeed did the puppetmaster and I was the puppet. Maybe.... Possibly....

Now about the "Invented reasons". By the looks of it, they aren't. I will say this, Capo is better than most of TE members, -most-, but why isn't he in TE, you may ask? Because he causes only trouble. Thomas is alright, but again, he has the nazi propaganda. Both Capo and Thomas inflict bad images to the clans they are in.

I did lead VGL better than you.

I can disagree here, you basically recruited only experienced players and when everyone left, you killed the clan. Welp you came with some message, doom ruined your life or something, but everyone know where is true. Alien is much more stable than you was when you led VGL.

I didn't really kill the clan, that was HTG when I got stepped down. BUT VGL DIDN'T DIE. So no one killed VGL. Alien is probably stable with his russian butt budies and new players, but so is TE. More than the last attempt. But I will take the fault here. He leads a more stable VGL.

[John Zombie]

Why I say specifically about americans here, is that the most euros known to me don't hate people at all (including Capo and Thomas) and are overall more concerned with playing Doom than with hating someone over the internet. In fact the only people I've seen complaining to me about them are either americans (not meaning U.S. here, but the whole two-part continent to the left of Europe) or americans' friends (example: SwiftShot, IdeIdoom).

I wonder how much you get paid to act like the paladin of downs in such a shameless manner, everyone with a bit of common sense/objectivity would say they're both the epitome of mental retardation.
If there's somebody trolling in here that's not certainly soul, but I wouldn't exclude you're genuinely stupid

[ZZYZX]

everyone with a bit of common sense/objectivity would say they're both the epitome of mental retardation

Do I have to remind you that there are people that would say the same about you?.. Do I even have to remind you that you were in a clan ruled by Capodecima by your own will?

Anyway the point is that there are no people with objectivity. Just, like, totally none. Objectivity means the person is biased towards some very common point of view instead of being biased towards less popular ideas or particular people.

[capodecima]

16:58:41 <capo> well so nati want join damn
16:58:54 <capo> i have nothing against him
16:59:02 <capo> but i know you cant stand him
16:59:36 <ModeneseAdriano> he's also horrible at ctf
16:59:57 <ModeneseAdriano> and yeah, his zen bullshit he pulls off all the time pisses me off

Alien this is just how JZ act, i am retard for him he joined my clan, nati is idiot for him he joined LF. JZs brain is like never ending story of bullshits and crap. Sadly he cant remember what he was doing in past, so mostly his posts looks very insecure. But i guess for some ppl which dont know him, JZ can seems be very solid and smart player.

[Nati46]

everyone with a bit of common sense/objectivity would say they're both the epitome of mental retardation

Do I have to remind you that there are people that would say the same about you?.. Do I even have to remind you that you were in a clan ruled by Capodecima by your own will?

Anyway the point is that there are no people with objectivity. Just, like, totally none. Objectivity means the person is biased towards some very common point of view instead of being biased towards less popular ideas or particular people.

Even as an objective person you still need to take into consideration who you recruit, your clan's reputation matters and also affects who will join it whether you like it or not.