Duel40a (May 27, 2015)

[Qent]

So if judas is #1, and all of you are against it, then why are you playing it all the time?

When was it? Perhaps it was thanks to the hardcore duelists who have moved on to Odamex.

[Nati46]

So if judas is #1, and all of you are against it, then why are you playing it all the time?

When was it? Perhaps it was thanks to the hardcore duelists who have moved on to Odamex.

Regardless of whether it is #1 or not, it is obviously a popular map nowadays, and removing it would make quite a few people unpleased.
Also people abandoning ST to Odamex is news for me (Not trying to demean Odamex in any way, btw)

[Konar6]

Seeing this thread I figured it's time to run another evaluation of map popularity within the wad. It may help in deciding which maps should be removed.
It's been a while since duel32a was released, the total number of map picks on Grandvoid servers reached over 9000 (literally) since the installment of duel32a on January 9th, so here are the results.


DWANGO5 MAP01 -- 1435
JUDAS23_ -- 1144
SHOOT -- 1005
GREENWAR MAP20 -- 845
KING1 -- 610
SSL2 -- 610
UROBUROS -- 349
DOOM2 MAP01 -- 287
OBLIVX -- 217
DWANGO5 MAP07 -- 188
UDM3 MAP03 -- 161
SIPOOMA -- 158
MOO2D -- 149
BRIT10 MAP07 -- 141
STYXDM01 MAP01 -- 139
GREENWAR MAP24 -- 134
LAZARUS1J MAP04 -- 129
FAE_DUEL11 MAP01 -- 113
DWANGO6 MAP01 -- 110
UDMX MAP02 -- 109
DUEL16 START -- 108
DWELLER2 MAP11 -- 104
BRIT10 MAP02 -- 96
POBLA8 -- 82
32IN2410 MAP26 -- 79
XFIRE5 -- 79
FULOSER -- 77
STYX8 -- 65
LAZARUS1J MAP01 -- 57
BOO -- 52
AURORA -- 49
BRIT11 MAP05 -- 47
BRIT11 MAP01 -- 46
XENOSX9 MAP04 -- 45

[Zeberpal]

Please bring Foxtrot back.

[AlexMax]

here are my SUPER COOL STATISTICS that I've been keeping since forever, including old maps that have long since been removed:

completed/picked (complete/picked percentage)

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gwar20: greenwar map20: 2225/2431 (91%)
uroburos: uroburos: 1026/1118 (91%)
judas23_: judas23_: 4147/4589 (90%)
moo2d: moo2d: 702/777 (90%)
ssl2: ssl2: 2296/2558 (89%)
king1: king1: 1657/1844 (89%)
gwar24: greenwar map24: 522/586 (89%)
oblivx: oblivx: 1161/1311 (88%)
duel16: duel16 start: 366/424 (86%)
shoot: shoot: 2036/2366 (86%)
laz1jm4: lazarus1j map04: 692/805 (85%)
dwgo5m1: dwango5 map01: 2524/2956 (85%)
fuloser: fuloser: 392/456 (85%)
dwgo5m7: dwango5 map07: 759/898 (84%)
brit11m1: brit11 map01: 581/685 (84%)
styx1m1: styxdm01 map01: 502/595 (84%)
brit10m7: brit10 map07: 451/536 (84%)
pobla8: pobla8: 492/579 (84%)
xfire5: xfire5: 429/509 (84%)
brit11m5: brit11 map05: 325/390 (83%)
xenos9m4: xenosx9 map04: 324/389 (83%)
dwel2m11: dweller2 map11: 489/584 (83%)
styx8: styx8: 178/212 (83%)
sipooma: sipooma: 569/687 (82%)
fae_dlm1: fae_duel11 map01: 243/295 (82%)
udmxm2: udmx map02: 272/332 (81%)
laz1jm1: lazarus1j map01: 469/576 (81%)
boo: boo: 353/439 (80%)
udm3m3: udm3 map03: 692/873 (79%)
dwgo6m1: dwango6 map01: 404/512 (78%)
udm3m9: udm3 map09: 224/285 (78%)
map01: doom2 map01: 782/1014 (77%)
32410m26: 32in2410 map26: 181/235 (77%)
brit10m2: brit10 map02: 205/267 (76%)
bahdko1: bahdko1: 134/177 (75%)
foxtrot_: foxtrot_: 132/174 (75%)
aurora: aurora: 147/203 (72%)
32241m18: 32in24 map18: 191/266 (71%)
dwgo6m11: dwango6 map11: 116/173 (67%)
dwel2m1: dweller2 map01: 98/157 (62%)

Also, Duel32a has some textures from skulltag_data, so I'll probably release a duel32b soonish.

[Marcaek]

I'll probably release a duel32b soonish.

Will it include the latest version of Fae_duel?

[AlexMax]

I'll probably release a duel32b soonish.

Will it include the latest version of Fae_duel?

If it does not get removed (which I personally doubt it will unless 20-million people tell me it's awful), I'll make sure it's the latest version.

[AlexMax]

Here are my current thoughts:

Definitely Remove:

• 32in24 10 map26 - The layout is interesting, but people don't like it that much and there really should have been a second SSG on the map.
• Aurora - People still hate the map, so whatever
• Brit10 map02 - The map is really tiny, it has a mediocre completion rate, people don't like it, and there are enough brit maps as it is.
• UDM3 map03 - Meh. This is really more of a FFA map than a duel map, and even though it's somewhat playable I think there are better alternatives.

Maybe Remove:

• Styx8 - This isn't really a duel map either, but it has a reasonable pick-to-complete ratio, so I'm hesitant to remove it.

Definitely add:

• Exposed - This map was actually in an early Duel32 release, but came up again during the MAC. There was nothing really wrong with it, so why not add it back.
• GothicDM MAP02 - Been suggested by multiple people. If you liked foxtrot's tight movement requirements, you'll probably like this map.

Add possibilities:

• DWANGO5 map02 - The only map from ZDDL that Duel32 doesn't already have.
• Hipafrag - A classic map from an old version of Duel32, various people have asked for it to return.
• King2 - It exists! Will it catch on? Who knows...but it's not a terrible map so maybe.
• Nyssy - A Doom 1 map? Why not.
• I am still convinced that there is room for a Titan map in the pack. People obviously weren't fans of Aurora, but Foxtrot had a number of players who enjoyed it. This thread has a pack with every map titan has ever released all in one, might be worth a look through.
  • I've had recommendations for MAP11 and MAP12 thus far.

Also, I think I'll ditch Duel16 as well. We only need one SSG training map.

Oh, and Boo/D6M1 are here to stay. Both of those are considered duel classics.

[Catastrophe]

MAP01 - Just now suggested by Hex, but I saw a demo of it and it looked pretty decent. Only one SSG though, but it seems less campable than the 32in24 10 one. I like this one.


NUUUUUUUU

[katZune]

Exposed !

[Nati46]

Dwango5map02 is not a map I would actually consider implementing. It is extremely crowded with almost no room for movement, and I don't think it will be played much.
Besides, I don't recall seeing it being played in ZDDL servers.
Exodus1on1 is something I'd like to see back, along with exposed and probably hipafrag.

[AlexMax]

A shot of the map selector redesign in progress:



Yay 3D floors! And yes, I'm going to mirror it four ways when I'm done.

Exodus1on1 is something I'd like to see back, along with exposed and probably hipafrag.

Maybe it's me, but the BFG seems almost a little bit too ridiculous in Exodus1on1. I'm hesitant to make it UV skill too, since I generally prefer not to force dmflags or skill levels, or anything of the sort so I can leave it up to the server admins what settings a server has.

[Zakken]

So, are you getting rid of the fat cross design I idealized? D:

[Llewellyn]

A shot of the map selector redesign in progress:



Yay 3D floors! And yes, I'm going to mirror it four ways when I'm done.

Oh god, 32 of 32in24 Map18

[BloodyAcid]

32of18in32in24induel32

[Iced]

Please don't remove Styx.

[AlexMax]

So yeah, during the redesign of the map, I figured out how to squeeze and extra 2 maps out per quarter-of-the-map, so I can now safely announce that Duel32 is now...Duel40! For real!

However, I still need your guys help. Between this thread and the altdeath thread there have been tons of suggestions, both for this edition and editions past. Map suggestions are great, but it would be even better if you could go through some of the older suggestions and actually give them a try...who knows, you might end up liking them. And if you don't like some suggested maps, say so...when people just suggest maps and plead with me not to remove their favorite map without vetting other peoples suggestions, we ended up with the slightly controversial map picks for Duel32a.

Oh, and there's also a list of maps from older versions of the Duel32 compilation in the altdeath thread. See an old favorite you'd like to have back? Say so!

[Dynomic]

I have no maps, old or new, that I'd like to suggest be deleted, and the only maps I'd like to see added would be my own (Snowday, which I had asked be added a long white back but never received a response), and Hipafrag.

[Reach Term]

If we're suggesting maps for the future. I think cybercrime3 map01 could be an interesting map. Because the BFG is weak, unless you know how to use it, array of weapons and carefully laid out. No places to hid and camp.

[Revenant]

Just to throw in a few additional map suggestions, I recently discovered a handful of Deathmatch WADs circa 1996 made by various members of the Japanese Doom community (I had no idea it existed either, heh)

Most of them are generic mid 90s fare, but I found a few on an archive of Jason Yasuko's site (aka the king1.wad guy) which actually seem like pretty solid 1v1 maps:

doomsday map01 (demo here)
gorudas1 (demo here)
goruzig3 (demo included), probably my favorite of the three

Also if you're like me and you like d5m2/danzig11 but hate the crampedness of it, I just remembered that british9 map04 is basically just a rework of danzig11 that spaces it out a bit and makes it easier to maneuver and whatnot. I have no idea how it plays compared to the original, but there it is, Van Halen midi and all.