Am I the only one who just fucking HATES puzzles?

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Am I the only one who just fucking HATES puzzles?

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Post by Combinebobnt » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:07 am

And not just in Doom, but also in Quake and every other fps game ever. Or even just action games in general. I just don't get it. What exactly is the appeal? They completely ruin the pacing by forcing you to stop shooting at things in favor of solving some stupid puzzle. I can't even begin to count the number of times I have stopped playing a wad or even entire games because I was so sick of having my enjoyment ruined by having to waste time solving some puzzle. And the worst part is that the puzzles often don't even make sense or are confusing forcing you to spend 10+ min running around the map trying to figure out how to progress. It would be like if you were watching a heated boxing match and then midway through the match when things are just about to get good the boxers have to stop hitting each other in the face in order to solve a rubiks cube. Does anyone else here share my hatred of puzzles in Doom and games in general?

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Post by Ivan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:08 am

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Post by Razgriz » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:09 am

Maybe if you finish MSPD you can find time to do doom puzzles.

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Re: Am I the only one who just fucking HATES puzzles?

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Post by Mobius » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:11 am

combinebobnt wrote:Image
dewsome: i can do this all day
dewsome: do you think you're somehow special? i spent years arguing with nostar, jenova, mobius
<+Thomas13> Mobius u r inferior, go outside and get beaten up
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Post by Doomkid » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:27 am

i got a got puzzle for u
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=8559

wtf report ed u stole these resources from brittle doom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/9 ... s-puzzles/

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Post by Combinebobnt » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:32 am

i came up with the idea first

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Post by Doomkid » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:35 am

you need to put a credits text in bedded in the wad

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Post by Mobius » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:54 am

Doomkid wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:27 am
i got a got puzzle for u

lame jroc like copy of Mobius' style of anything
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=8558

Better and original test.
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Post by WhiteAce » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:00 am

Next on my must do list Puzzles: Doom 2 Edition every time you solve a puzzle you get to shoot 1 demon afterwards, with puzzles so difficult and cheats disabled you will wonder why you even bothered to try it, coming next April 1st.

On a more serious note if you were only just shooting at things and not doing much other than shooting IE thinking, a study has shown there may be a change in the gray matter in your brain could probably shrink probably making things more difficult in the future when it comes to solving future puzzles.

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Post by Doomkid » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:20 am

Mobius wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:54 am
Better and original test.
WRONG

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Post by Konda » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:24 am

Puzzles are ok if they lead to some epic secrets or secret level, and they have to not get in the way of the flow of the map.

With that said, though:
Combinebobnt wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:07 am
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Post by Galactus » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:57 am

Is this the first serious post you ever made?

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Post by Ru5tK1ng » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:17 pm

No, he just ran out of shit posting ideas and resorted to copy pasting.

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Post by ARGENTVM » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:35 pm

Sounds accurate. Maybe if he devoted that time to something more constructive...
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Re: Am I the only one who just fucking HATES puzzles?

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Post by Lollipop » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:24 pm

I kinda agree with konda on this one. Puzzles are nice if they incentivize something extra, but forcing a player to go through a puzzle for no discernible reason is incentive to do nothing but facedesk.

I don't mind if games that are built around shooting things and such reward the player for figuring out smart ways to do things and handle scenarios in intelligent ways, which one could consider kind of a puzzle as well, but it wouldn't take you out of killing things with guns and dump you into "look at these walls with shapes and colors that you have no idea what mean and with no way to discern any meaning out of the information available. Now press the 9001 buttons in the correct sequence or be forced through a cutscene every time you fail because we don't want you to brute force this shit."
To be fair I made that one up but I wouldn't be surprised if that specific example exists in some form. That is where I would drop a game because it doesn't bode well for anything else in it from that point on.

Now if the whole idea of a game is to have both, and that both are presented in some consistent proportion, and it doesn't suck major ass, then it's fine as well if you know what you're getting yourself into. Just don't give me some stupid puzzle in a game whose players don't want it shoved in the face, there are other ways to break up an experience to prevent it from getting stale, if it even needs to be broken up in the first place.

Yeah, just rambling. Meh.

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Re: Am I the only one who just fucking HATES puzzles?

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Post by Cacolord » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:52 am

strong avatar to cooked brain ratio

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