Re: YAY DRAMA - New rules
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:56 pm
Hey, any posts continuing Leonard vs everyone will be split from here on out and possibly warned depending on context.
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Because you do it in the most ineffective way. Have you ever sat in the staff channel and tried to lay out a case logically and diplomatically? The method you've employed most recently has led to, less than stellar, results shown in this topic.I'm stunned because all you do is shut down the people who try to point out how you're doing a terrible job about decay so far but not decay's posts.
Its a good example until you put it into context. Had that post been directed at a person who wasn't a hacker, rat, ban evader, clan invader (pretending to be someone new), and a flat out scumbag in terms of his actions, then yes, that post is candidate for removal. Considering FateLord and what he's done, there's little sympathy.Leonard wrote: This very post was shown as an example in JWarrier's thread and it is still not removed to this day.
Because Jwarrier proved he had no intentions of doing anything other than stirring up drama. Notice in that thread when people asked legitimate questions (i.e. me), he disappeared. Additionally Jwarrier was blatantly stated in public on IRC long before that topic that he would make sure to get rid of Decay (and friends including me). Essentially it was a personal vendetta and his topic was just created for that sole purpose even if he tried to hide his intent under the guise of doing the community a favor. He sought be a Zandronum Hero, but he ended up lower than zero.Yet JWarrier's thread was locked within a day.
Excluding the Karakurt example, you are linking posts to threads regarding cheaters and people involved in exploitation. This is just the community handling cheaters and individuals who have been caught cheating have always been met with that type of attitude in the Doom community. Go back several years and you'll see this type of thing wasn't created by Decay and others. Also, Alien embraces his Autism title because he gives ZERO fucks about it.
Sure people may or may not have deserved what they got, but like I said that's pretty much out of the question.Ru5tK1ng wrote:Its a good example until you put it into context. Had that post been directed at a person who wasn't a hacker, rat, ban evader, clan invader (pretending to be someone new), and a flat out scumbag in terms of his actions, then yes, that post is candidate for removal. Considering FateLord and what he's done, there's little sympathy.
Excluding the Karakurt example, you are linking posts to threads regarding cheaters and people involved in exploitation. This is just the community handling cheaters and individuals who have been caught cheating have always been met with that type of attitude in the Doom community. Go back several years and you'll see this type of thing wasn't created by Decay and others. Also, Alien embraces his Autism title because he gives ZERO fucks about it.
Like I already said, I'm not trying to get specific people I dislike banned. I'm trying to make the staff react for once. It's criticism (at least I see it that way) which I thought the staff wanted to hear.Ru5tK1ng wrote:As a side notice, it is worth noting that people used to get warned and suspended for back seat modding. In other community you get flat out banned especially if you do it publicly multiple times.
Well I never intended for this to become another drama thread, I tried to keep my first post as civil as possible (except for john zombie, I can't do much if you're asking for it).Ru5tK1ng wrote:Because you do it in the most ineffective way. Have you ever sat in the staff channel and tried to lay out a case logically and diplomatically? The method you've employed most recently has led to, less than stellar, results shown in this topic.
I couldn't agree more, friend. Just a warning might be cutting it some slack, actually.Leonard wrote:If you have a rule saying people should respect each other, you have to apply it to everyone.
don't you think some people deserve at the very least a warning?
The staff have better things to do than to moderate petty little grievances people have among each other. The only reason Mifu made this announcement is to now enshrine that they will take a proactive stance in quelling conflict despite who shot first. You are getting mad over something that is retroactively bunk over something that is currently being pushed. No one is obliged to respect anyone or entitled to it, and this is double if both people have a history with each other.Leonard wrote: Sure people may or may not have deserved what they got, but like I said that's pretty much out of the question.
If you have a rule saying people should respect each other, you have to apply it to everyone.
Social Hierarchy. Talk to Kal Foxis and Shadowfox how this worked for them.Leonard wrote:Even if it was said to a cheater or whatever, it doesn't change the fact that said post violates the rule and is inappropriate.
That is not up to YOU to decide who gets or deserves a warning, if the staff is not handing them out then it warrants no penalty. This whole thread is indicative to how inept you are in approaching diplomacy and I only needed to see this by reading how flippant you were in the tracker.Leonard wrote:Like I already said, I'm not trying to get specific people I dislike banned. I'm trying to make the staff react for once. It's criticism (at least I see it that way) which I thought the staff wanted to hear.
Just have a look at this whole thread and honestly tell me, don't you think some people deserve at the very least a warning?
You're acting like a raging queer with everyone trying to reason with you, but nice try at focusing on myself onlyLeonard wrote:except for john zombie, I can't do much if you're asking for it)
I agree that the rules should be upheld equality across the community as much as possible. However, keep in mind in this specific case regarding cheaters, let us briefly state what it is that they did. They cheated which in turn violates the community rules. I don't see any reason why the rules should protect someone who has blatantly broken one of the more severe community rules.Leonard wrote:Sure people may or may not have deserved what they got, but like I said that's pretty much out of the question.Ru5tK1ng wrote:Its a good example until you put it into context. Had that post been directed at a person who wasn't a hacker, rat, ban evader, clan invader (pretending to be someone new), and a flat out scumbag in terms of his actions, then yes, that post is candidate for removal. Considering FateLord and what he's done, there's little sympathy.
Excluding the Karakurt example, you are linking posts to threads regarding cheaters and people involved in exploitation. This is just the community handling cheaters and individuals who have been caught cheating have always been met with that type of attitude in the Doom community. Go back several years and you'll see this type of thing wasn't created by Decay and others. Also, Alien embraces his Autism title because he gives ZERO fucks about it.
If you have a rule saying people should respect each other, you have to apply it to everyone.
Even if it was said to a cheater or whatever, it doesn't change the fact that said post violates the rule and is inappropriate.
I didn't see it because it's in the trash, but regardless it isn't clear what his point is. Is he insinuating that people attacking 1 person is common place on the forums? I'm not going to say whether his assertion is correct or not, but I will comment on his post example. He states the community 'is full of aggressive retards' and then is surprised people lashed out at him. Making broad generalizations is never a good idea no matter what the subject is. Additionally, his post qualifies as passive aggressive and as well all know, aggression leads to return aggression.Those weren't the only example anyways, what about this thing carpathia pointed out?
It really is irrelevant to what I think in terms of punishment because I am not staff. Should there be some sort of corrective actions? Yes. I'll point to TTA's post as such. What kind of action should occur to people in this thread is purely subjective and varies from individual.Like I already said, I'm not trying to get specific people I dislike banned. I'm trying to make the staff react for once. It's criticism (at least I see it that way) which I thought the staff wanted to hear.Ru5tK1ng wrote:As a side notice, it is worth noting that people used to get warned and suspended for back seat modding. In other community you get flat out banned especially if you do it publicly multiple times.
Just have a look at this whole thread and honestly tell me, don't you think some people deserve at the very least a warning?
Public call outs generally do not turn out well at all. There's always a high percentage of things going haywire and that's just how it is.Well I never intended for this to become another drama thread, I tried to keep my first post as civil as possible (except for john zombie, I can't do much if you're asking for it).Ru5tK1ng wrote:Because you do it in the most ineffective way. Have you ever sat in the staff channel and tried to lay out a case logically and diplomatically? The method you've employed most recently has led to, less than stellar, results shown in this topic.
I thought since this concerns everyone the public might want to hear about this..
I never implied I'm the one who decides.Mobius wrote:That is not up to YOU to decide who gets or deserves a warning
Why are the staff not handing them out in the first place? Can you justify such a thing other than with pure bias?Mobius wrote:if the staff is not handing them out then it warrants no penalty.
Okay JZ, take a look at decay's post for example. Do you think he was trying to reason with me at all when he decided to call me a retard?John Zombie wrote:You're acting like a raging queer with everyone trying to reason with you, but nice try at focusing on myself only
I can agree with that sure but every individual have to be taken in account, not just the ones who posted after TTA's warning.Ru5tK1ng wrote:What kind of action should occur to people in this thread is purely subjective and varies from individual.
Everyone noticed because I posted both my PM and your answer. Unlike you, who said blatantly false stuff to a moderator when questioned about it, I have nothing to hide.Leonard wrote:In case some people didn't notice, Dynamo was the one to pm me first whining about his victory over the post splits.
The fact you don't understand the difference between "fuck off" and what you have typed is honestly concerning, but then again, considering your coherence equals 0 it's not exactly surprising either.Leonard wrote:Wouldn't you have responded with "fuck off" too if you were at my place?
Well, it looks like a bias to you and you only: you have done a splendid job earlier at completely ignoring the parts of my posts where I explained your trolling but instead nitpicked on the smaller points and made personal attacks against me and passive aggressive comments about my posts. Do you even read what you write?Leonard wrote:It does legitimately look like bias (which is frustrating) if you compare his post and mine and which one was trashed.
The fact that you acknowledge you deserve this means you are perfectly aware of the severity of the comment you directed at me. I've been a member of this community for over 10 years now, and even during the time I was a staff member, I don't recall seeing anybody stooping as low as you just did here, today. You are completely unashamed of what you said and at least 100000000000 times worse than the so called troublemakers which you claim ruin the forums, when in reality, it is exactly people like YOU who ruin the experience for everyone. You have been going on for weeks on your personal vendetta against Decay, SwiftShot, JohnZombie and god knows who else, without anybody ever asking you to do so (myself and Ru5tK1ng have explained why it is a terrible idea to do it in public but you have completely ignored that, too). What you do is beyond backseat moderating, it is straight up spammingLeonard wrote:And yes, I did get a warning for that and I take it, I deserve it maybe but at least the staff are now reacting which was the point.
This is what your line of reasoning isLeonard wrote:I never implied I'm the one who decides.
Because it is their judgement to make. You are literally arguing with people who have critiqued forum polices way before you and at a much larger scale than you have ever indicated. Your line of thought is if the staff decide to idle than it is bias. So obviously unless they do what you say or desire than it is negative and evil. The bias is coming from two directions. I won't deny that Decay can learn a bit more tact.. a lot more tact, but as someone who knows what's happening you are literally crying about a guy who can sneeze wrong and be permanently dealt with but somehow the staff is doing nothing about Decay yeah okay there buddy.Leonard wrote: Why are the staff not handing them out in the first place? Can you justify such a thing other than with pure bias?
This is why I'm criticizing them right now.
And what a valuable input you give us again.Dynamo wrote:You know, for being one who accuses others of pulling stuff out of their asses, you sure are the master of this art.
Please point to the proof? Aren't you pulling that out of your ass too maybe?Dynamo wrote:Unlike you, who said blatantly false stuff to a moderator when questioned about it, I have nothing to hide.
Dynamo wrote:The fact you don't understand the difference between "fuck off" and what you have typed is honestly concerning
That's purely subjective.Dynamo wrote:and at least 100000000000 times worse than the so called troublemakers which you claim ruin the forums
I had only talked with Decay once before this and as for the other ones I never ever mentioned them before this.Dynamo wrote:You have been going on for weeks on your personal vendetta against Decay, SwiftShot, JohnZombie and god knows who else
Where did you explain how I was trolling?Dynamo wrote:you have done a splendid job earlier at completely ignoring the parts of my posts where I explained your trolling but instead nitpicked on the smaller points and made personal attacks against me and passive aggressive comments about my posts.
Because you replying with "go ahead, leave" was such a productive behavior.Dynamo wrote:Ask yourselves if this type of behaviour is productive in any way or if it actually simply shows the hypocrisy, the incoherence, as well as the squalor of this individual.
A better question would be: Why on earth you decided to pop out of the blue and stir up this mess against the staff/Decay?Leonard wrote:Okay JZ, take a look at decay's post for example. Do you think he was trying to reason with me at all when he decided to call me a retard?
Once he posts that, why should I even bother giving him a proper reply, there's nothing to say, no material to work with.
Completely ignoring what I said (I pointed out your incoherence), and making a personal attack as a comeback. Low.Leonard wrote:And what a valuable input you give us again.
The proof? The proof is in that screenshot I posted: it contains my original PM also. are you blind?Leonard wrote:Please point to the proof? Aren't you pulling that out of your ass too maybe?
I am quite speechless.Leonard wrote:That's purely subjective.Dynamo wrote:The fact you don't understand the difference between "fuck off" and what you have typed is honestly concerning
I like how you claim I think it's that bad when it should be YOU to think that. You are disgusting for telling someone to go kill themselves, and no back-handed apology can make amend for your disgusting and squalid comment from earlier.Leonard wrote:But alright, if you think it's that bad then sorry, what I truly wanted to express was just a simple "fuck off".
Leonard wrote:And what a valuable input you give us again.
Leonard wrote:Because honestly I can't see.
Completely ignoring other people's points while continuing to make personal attacks and passive aggressive statements which do nothing to either contribute to the thread or make his points better understood.Leonard wrote:Because you replying with "go ahead, leave" was such a productive behavior.
Please.... Just stop posting............ No one cares you are getting off this thread.........................ibm5155 wrote:nice, I was editing a post that someone else deleted, k, I'mm off this thread...
ibm5155 wrote:
So, it's more a matter of what you guys want, let these drama guys into the fórum for audience, or remove these guys, and focusing into a community that actually cares about zandronum content...
Thanks for the insight, Morganibm5155 wrote:It's sad that almost all the community is only viewing the threads because of shit posting/drama, it's like an reality show, where you only watch the program because there's a group of people doing drama (don't giving a for the program content), and when these drama guys go out the show, the audience goes to zero.
So, it's more a matter of what you guys want, let these drama guys into the fórum for audience, or remove these guys, and focusing into a community that actually cares about zandronum content...