This is a difficult one, for the simple reason that we're all different admins with different beliefs and standards. I really see where you're coming from and I can see how it is an issue right now. I can speak for the admins when I say we're inconstant. The rules probably need to be defined to a much finer point. The only problem that arises is that some punishments are different based on whatever issue arises. Things are pretty much dealt with on a case to case basis right now and you're right when you say that it depends on the admin you get. It's very hard to get that happy medium though with different opinions on how things are handled within the staff. Cyber may say "Eh, let's just give him one last warning but next time, ban" while I say "He knows better, we should set a temp ban on him so he knows we're not bluffing and his actions aren't acceptable". Sometimes it's even the other way around. What it comes down to is that we need more hivemind when it comes to administrating the community. So in this case, I can agree with you.Watermelon wrote:I am personally all for people who make the harsh decisions, but the problem is there is zero standardization and it's basically which admin you get on what day. If someone does something bad an Cyber is there, he will probably just slap them and tell them if they screw up again they're in deeper trouble, but if you were there you'd would press the red circular 'destroy' button then and there. Among the staff there needs to be rules for standardization.
I don't have a problem with harsh admins, as long as it follows a shared set of rules and everyone is equal. Is it possible if more solid rules can be forced out rather than ambiguous rules? The problem is 'catch-me-all' rules can be interpreted too loosely, like "Don't be an ass" etc; good catch-me-all's IMO are ones like "anything to threaten network security results in a g-line" because it's specific enough to cover cases that are serious enough to warrant nuking the offending person.
There currently is no ETA on the time for his ban. I'll be discussing this with the rest of the staff and will set a time on it when we reach a decision.I personally feel bad such a picture got out -- Mobius did prevent anyone from seeing it within 2-3 minutes of it being posted by moving the database. I didn't see it but when I came back he had just removed the pictures. Not even I saw it and I was there most of the time. Hopefully that puts your mind at ease a bit.
Since it's something that keeps coming up, is there an ETA on when his ban gets lifted? This way the community can see what punishment was given for the action.
I personally had no clue about the picture of mobius on SpakCTF. If it was hosted on the master server, the punishment for such things is to ban the server IP itself from hosting. There's already some IP's on that list that have used porn, offensive server names or really graphic, uh....furry stuff.Using an example in this thread (since Mobius is the hot topic), when I hung around with Spak, I remember on TS when you, myself, Redshirt, and a few other Spak members were on and Redshirt said "hey we should make all our avatars Mobius' face".
Your response was that it was a stupid idea, but they went and did it anyways and got warned for it. Now they got what would be considered a reasonable warning, but it definitely wasn't a ban. No one knows if Mobius would have found this offensive, and he could have been just as upset. In this case, he got an insane (if not perm? no one knows) g-line for the image, but these other guys have on multiple occasions used his face.
Not only that, but SpakCTF has a secret level called MOBI01 which uses a photoshopped face of Mobius in an obviously attempt-at-being-offensive way. Since this has been hosted on the master multiple times, does that mean that the authors responsible for this are going to be master banned like Mobius got g-lined?
As I had stated earlier on in this post, that's what I was thinking. But it just loops back around to what admin you get on what day, etc.I personally don't have any problems with you as a person. I also personally think a lot of your stern actions come from all the stuff you've dealt with IRL, and the dumbasses that did things that went from internet -> IRL. From this I think you also dislike a lot of bullying; which people can support. Possibly if you care enough (sadly I don't at this point) would be to funnel any kind of energy into writing a ton of refined rules on IRC and running them by the community before implementation.
I'll sit down when I have a day off and redefine the rules a bit more to be more flexible.