Zandronum

Original zdoom.org thread

- Nothing was removed from the original version of MSX.
- Some things were rebuilt (ex: Grenade explosions, plasmagun cooler...) because they don't work in zandro properly.
- Difficulty is higher than in the original that makes gameplay better (really), it won't be boring for you. Welcome to realistic survival! :D

This patch was made by Korshun and partially edited by me.
If you found any bug, discuss about it here.



Trailer:
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Download Project MSX v0.2a code v28
Download Project MSX v0.2a resources

Enjoy!

Oooh....will try.

EDIT: Er.....uhhhh.....okay. Weird stuff's happening. Loaded it up in Zandro 1.3, and the titlepic is missing....there's no menu sounds, and when I start a game, I have no weapon, no hud, and there's red As everywhere.

EDIT 2: Wait...this is a patch, isn't it...i'm dumb.

I tested it, and I think it'll need some change like the ennemies marines, can't you make them look like zombie because in coop it's very confusing.

Very nice mod btw.

You might be able to mistake this for the original mod. You know, if you've never played the original, or if you're mentally handicapped. At least you know your audience, I guess.

Did you get permission to do this? Considering MagSigmaX hasn't been around in the community since the last release, I sincerely doubt it.
We've had several ZDoomers get their work completely nicked, overhauled, and in many cases completely bastardized without their permission, and then they get extra headaches of people reporting "bugs" in the Zandro versions that don't exist in the ZDoom version. We've already got a good chunk of people angry at us, we don't need another--especially with something as high profile as this.

Monsterovich wrote:- Nothing was removed from the original version of MSX.

Uhhhhhhhh you sure about that? Just with a cursory playthrough, someone incredibly familiar with MSX was able to point out numerous stuff that's completely removed.
You reduced the rifle capacity to 35 rounds but didn't change the HUD to reflect this, you reduced the autoshotgun's capacity to 15 rounds, you removed the recoil, you removed the trails on the projectiles, you removed the smooth animation for the initial fist charge, you removed enemy behavior for when the player has their fists out to make them dodge, you've removed numerous sound effects (why does the shotgun use the vanilla Doom sound? Why does the sniper rifle use the Skulltag railgun sound? Why does the punch use the same sound effect for hitting walls?), not to mention removing numerous effects that could have been easily replicated in Zandronum (quaking on charged punches, for example).
And again, that's just with a cursory playthrough. That's a whole lot of shit that's been outright removed.

Monsterovich wrote:- Difficulty is higher than in the original that makes gameplay better (really), it won't be boring for you. Welcome to realistic survival! :D

Really? Because it looks like you also removed all of the tracer rounds for enemies and replaced them with hitscans. As in, the cannot-be-dodged hitscans that change gameplay from fast running and dodging to sheer luck.
This doesn't make gameplay better, it takes the gameplay MSX was going for and completely removes it.

If you're going to port something, then it's better to just port it. Don't mod it with your own changes, especially if the original author didn't give you permission.

Monsterovich wrote:- Some things were rebuilt (ex: Grenade explosions, plasmagun cooler...) because they don't work in zandro properly.
- Difficulty is higher than in the original that makes gameplay better (really), it won't be boring for you. Welcome to realistic survival! :D

Usually porting implies trying to mimic the original as closely as possible, even if it takes gross hacks (like say, emulating A_SetScale the good old separate sprites way and gross Random(-23,23)*0.1 hacks for frandom) to accomplish.

Usually porting also implies porting the actual mod and not modding the damn thing while doing so.

You reduced the rifle capacity to 35 rounds but didn't change the HUD to reflect this, you reduced the autoshotgun's capacity to 15 rounds

Uh, didn't notice, seems to be a bug. Gotta fix

you removed the recoil

Because it made all the weapons VERY laggy when playing with ping over 20 ms.

you removed the trails on the projectiles

No, I just made the trail actors clientside, and it turned out that a serverside FastProjectile cannot spawn clientside trails.

you removed the smooth animation for the initial fist charge

That's a bug, there was just so much stuff to make that fist work that I didn't notice it. Will fix in the next version.

you've removed numerous sound effects (why does the shotgun use the vanilla Doom sound? Why does the sniper rifle use the Skulltag railgun sound? Why does the punch use the same sound effect for hitting walls?)

I didn't change anything about the sounds. Now gotta invent some workarounds to fix these.

not to mention removing numerous effects that could have been easily replicated in Zandronum (quaking on charged punches, for example).

I was so tired of fixing those damn hud scripts and tens of flash states that I decided to fix these effects later.

it looks like you also removed all of the tracer rounds for enemies and replaced them with hitscans

No, all bullets are still FastProjectiles but their trails are not spawned for the same reason other projectiles don't have trails (FastProjectile can't spawn clientside trails).

All in all, this mod is now at least fully functional in zandronum. Now I can get to fixing the cosmetic bugs with some of the effects.

I can return orignal balance, but Project MSX's balance is designed for singleplayer and is too easy in multiplayer.

Code v20 released!

* Players can now shoot projectiles and grenades through each other!
* fixed pistol loaded ammo capacity (caused by a bad fix for Weapon.AmmoUse desyncs)
* fixed autoshotgun and assault rifle loaded ammo capacity (caused by remains of experimental fixes for desyncs before I found out that they are caused by Weapon.AmmoUse)
* fixed fist charge animation (caused by a bad jump due to inserted null frames needed to make it work in Zandronum)
* fixed reload warning being disabled by selecting fists once
* fixed shotgun and sniper rifle sounds
* fixed cyberdemon's rocket not exploding and flying through players

Download!

Found a bug: If you hit/kill enemies with your alternate attack (punching) of your Sniper Rifle or Nail Shotgun, it will make the sound as if it was firing.

Wanna try something Sigma never did?


Add the following to sndinfo: That will make the rare few of us who have randomized pitch enabled LIKE TRUE VANILLA DOOMERS WOULD cry tears of joy.

Tried this in Zandronum with a friend. After a few minutes, his connection hung and he timed out. Thing is, ping was still in pristine condition. Only reason I can think of is desync problems, and this only seems to happen with this mod.

IdeIdoom wrote: Found a bug: If you hit/kill enemies with your alternate attack (punching) of your Sniper Rifle or Nail Shotgun, it will make the sound as if it was firing.

Fixed in v21.

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-Jes- wrote: Wanna try something Sigma never did?

Yeah I added this code too.

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Drakeman1234 wrote: Tried this in Zandronum with a friend. After a few minutes, his connection hung and he timed out. Thing is, ping was still in pristine condition. Only reason I can think of is desync problems, and this only seems to happen with this mod.

I never had such problems, maybe it's a problem with your friend's internet connection.

Drakeman1234 wrote: Tried this in Zandronum with a friend. After a few minutes, his connection hung and he timed out. Thing is, ping was still in pristine condition. Only reason I can think of is desync problems, and this only seems to happen with this mod.

I never had such problems, maybe it's a problem with your friend's internet connection.
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Well, other mods never did this to me. Also, can't imagine why connection would be the problem. Ping was about as close to perfect as I could hope.

I personally don't see any good reason to use 1.3 for a project as big and expansive as this, considering MSX readily uses flags and coderpoints for the newer revisions of zdoom. Zandronum 1.3 uses zdoom 2.3x, and Zandronum 2.0 uses 2.5.0 and up. You could've save a lot more time with this project if you would've properly ported it to 2.0, instead of 1.3.

Arco wrote: I personally don't see any good reason to use 1.3 for a project as big and expansive as this, considering MSX readily uses flags and coderpoints for the newer revisions of zdoom. Zandronum 1.3 uses zdoom 2.3x, and Zandronum 2.0 uses 2.5.0 and up. You could've save a lot more time with this project if you would've properly ported it to 2.0, instead of 1.3.

Thats why some projects from Zdoom shouldn't be imported here thats true, but he did a good job even if it's was a bad idea.

Code v22 Download!

Arco wrote:You could've save a lot more time with this project if you would've properly ported it to 2.0, instead of 1.3.

And no one would've played it.

fr blood wrote:- if it's was a bad idea.

The only 'bad idea' here was not clearing this with Sigma first, although with Sigma AWOL'ing hard (as is his custom) the severity of this is debatable.

Some people.

Remember that theoretically Zandronum 2.0's on the testing phase - all of the big stuff is already done.

In other words, you might as well get a head-start!

Here's another bug: Hold the fist charge to max power and then exit the level normally. In the next level you will have unlimited energy.

Arco wrote: I personally don't see any good reason to use 1.3 for a project as big and expansive as this, considering MSX readily uses flags and coderpoints for the newer revisions of zdoom. Zandronum 1.3 uses zdoom 2.3x, and Zandronum 2.0 uses 2.5.0 and up. You could've save a lot more time with this project if you would've properly ported it to 2.0, instead of 1.3.

Zandronum 2.0 won't fix the largest part of the problems in MSX, because half of ACS scripts are not going to work with multiplayer.