SamsaraHold Resurrection + Enhancer

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Updated to 0.1C. This is getting frustratingly close to bug free but not quite.

[Phoenix7786]

New version? I have but 1 thing to say:

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UPDATE: The Catharsis bug popped up again on B.J., but ONLY when I reloaded after a failed wave. I just said fuck it and ~'d my way past the last 2 waves. At least the Catharsi didn't follow me back to the base :P

Also, in the spirit of cooperating with others, I'm getting used to using my pistol-archetype when it's safe to, for ammo conservation. Or do more ammo parts spawn when there's more people? Basically, is using my free pistol to conserve ammo a bad habit people will be more annoyed with? Or am I on the right track for whenever I get around to MP?

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Alright, time for some stronghold knowledge.

Stronghold automatically scales everything with player count. Powerups, Ammo, Health, and Monsters.

Ammo generally isn't a problem in multiplayer, for two reasons. One is that there's barely any missions that deprive you of ammo (having 200 shells is common occurrence), the other is that Ammo scales up faster the Monsters.

Powerups scale directly with player count. 8 players means 8 times powerups.
Ammo and health scale up an additional 75% for every player past the first. For example, 4 stimpacks on one player turns into (4*1.75) 7 stimpacks on two players.
Monsters scale an additional 50% for every player past the first. For example, 10 imps would become (10*1.5) 15 imps with two players.
(both scales start at 100% for one player, except for monster scales. Monster scales are variable depending on difficulty.)

[Phoenix7786]

Ahh ok. Thanks for tolerating me and my newbishness. So, for the most part, as long as I don't go A-Team with the ammo it'll last?
Also, this Cartharsis bug (as of this C version) has only happened on a reloaded file (and by reloaded I mean if I fail a wave and re-load from like a wave or 2 behind. Otherwise I keep a "safe" file before I start any map waves). I can try saving AFTER all the monsters have spawned and see if that helps prevent it.

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And, unbelievably, the FIRST ALPHA for 0.11 is out!

So notes:
-THIS IS AN ALPHA STAGE. If things crash or bug up, please politely report them to me or dekw (who also goes by P_PlayerThink), so I can fix them. Well, try.
-I'm open to suggestions, and will probably make discussion in the server. Or forum page.
-Lots of new things! First and foremost, try to have fun. Don't ruin it for other people (unless you are reporting bugs to me), enjoy the game, and just try and have fun.
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-Metroid: Stronghold is never happening. Ever.

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I sense that no one actually posts on this thread, but anyway; Second Alpha!

-Rebalanced many missions - the multiplayer difficulty was getting way out of hand.
-Fixed some Overmind number bugs.
-Realigned a texture in the intermission map.
-Buffed SLZ again.
-Automatic Shotgun is now taken from your inventory at the end of a mission.
-Samsarahold_cl_strweapons/samsarahold_cl_dukemusic now works.

[MrSetharoo]

I played a bit of it yesterday. I enjoyed the hell out of playing it and enjoyed playing with Melee only mode with no health pickups. We'll have to play it with a bunch of people.

My only complaint is the difficulty needs to be cranked up or the turrets need to be nerfed because they carried us to victory with very little input.

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I played a bit of it yesterday. I enjoyed the hell out of playing it and enjoyed playing with Melee only mode with no health pickups. We'll have to play it with a bunch of people.

My only complaint is the difficulty needs to be cranked up or the turrets need to be nerfed because they carried us to victory with very little input.

Ah, so it was you who turned punchdrunk mode on. Heh, I've never seen anyone try.

I've found that turret's strength's tend to be inverse to monster strength - The turrets are REALLY GOOD against the weaker monsters, but stronger monsters can roll over them pretty easily.

And yeah, they're pretty much the most efficient item in the game - honestly, there's a reason there's a sign saying Best-Seller on it. It really is Best-Selling.

And yes, they basically wreck all of Tier 1, and 80% of Tier 2.

I looked through the server log, you played on Tier 1 and Tier 2. Trust me when I say the LATER TIERS (as in Tier 5 and Tier 6) are monstrously difficult. Stronghold starts with easy (yet rather unforgiving) missions, and then picks up a bit with each tier.

Also, Samsara_NoHealth? Someone actually tried that? I thought that was basically suicide.

Also, note: Next Alpha is probably coming out tomorrow, addressing character balance. I will get this right, dammit!

[MrSetharoo]

I played a bit of it yesterday. I enjoyed the hell out of playing it and enjoyed playing with Melee only mode with no health pickups. We'll have to play it with a bunch of people.

My only complaint is the difficulty needs to be cranked up or the turrets need to be nerfed because they carried us to victory with very little input.

Ah, so it was you who turned punchdrunk mode on. Heh, I've never seen anyone try.

I've found that turret's strength's tend to be inverse to monster strength - The turrets are REALLY GOOD against the weaker monsters, but stronger monsters can roll over them pretty easily.

And yeah, they're pretty much the most efficient item in the game - honestly, there's a reason there's a sign saying Best-Seller on it. It really is Best-Selling.

And yes, they basically wreck all of Tier 1, and 80% of Tier 2.

I looked through the server log, you played on Tier 1 and Tier 2. Trust me when I say the LATER TIERS (as in Tier 5 and Tier 6) are monstrously difficult. Stronghold starts with easy (yet rather unforgiving) missions, and then picks up a bit with each tier.

Also, Samsara_NoHealth? Someone actually tried that? I thought that was basically suicide.

Also, note: Next Alpha is probably coming out tomorrow, addressing character balance. I will get this right, dammit!

Ah I didn't think the Tiers had to do with difficulty I though they were just to make it easier to find a certain mission. well I'll have to try suicide mode on tier 3 and up then

Also someone pointed out to you in the IRC about a voting system? I would like to see this as well because people have been stupid in the past in stronghold about going into missions without letting people get items and what not.

oh yeah and you still get your starting weapon in punchdrunk mode but it doesn't shoot. Not sure if thats a bug or intentional.

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Ah I didn't think the Tiers had to do with difficulty I though they were just to make it easier to find a certain mission. well I'll have to try suicide mode on tier 3 and up then

Also someone pointed out to you in the IRC about a voting system? I would like to see this as well because people have been stupid in the past in stronghold about going into missions without letting people get items and what not.

oh yeah and you still get your starting weapon in punchdrunk mode but it doesn't shoot. Not sure if thats a bug or intentional.

Sorry for the late reply, but alright:
-Yeah, the way stronghold works is that you have to beat one tier to unlock the next, with each tier getting harder.
-Heh. The voting system for map switches isn't out yet, but rest assured some day I will add that.
-Punchdrunk has some odd behaviors, so I can tell you it's a bug, but I don't really know if I can do anything about it.

Alright so, ALPHA 3 is out! Hopefully this is the last alpha stage. Good luck! It features:
-Better balance
-Bugfixes
-Some secret things

EDIT: Welp. We're on Alpha 4 now, due to me ing hardcore.

[MrSetharoo]

EDIT: Welp. We're on Alpha 4 now, due to me ing hardcore.

So when can we expect the Super Ultra SamsaraHold Arcade Hyper Remix Edition EX Alpha DLC?

yay for stupid jokes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItoRNcjG_Wc

This recorder is both incredibly helpful and incredibly stupid.

This guy gave excellent excellent footage of the mod

and he's also a total "douchewagonmobile" (don't worry, Ijon Tichy came up with the insult).

[The Great Cornholio]

This wad looks great, but i hope it dosent make my bungholio angry.

-The Great Cornholio

[Phoenix7786]

Hey I'm still here dude :)

Trouble is, I moved (still in Africa). However, the subdivision I live in does not have electricity, not since the transformer was destroyed 7 months ago. And let me tell you loading up Samsarahold on a laptop's battery is MURDER. How's work on Naraka and Gina (I think that's the Unreal lady's name) going? Saw your Metroid work too. Looks badass dude!

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Hey I'm still here dude :)

Trouble is, I moved (still in Africa). However, the subdivision I live in does not have electricity, not since the transformer was destroyed 7 months ago. And let me tell you loading up Samsarahold on a laptop's battery is MURDER. How's work on Naraka and Gina (I think that's the Unreal lady's name) going? Saw your Metroid work too. Looks badass dude!

I'm not the guy who's doing Metroid/Naraka/Gina. That's TerminusEst13, creator of Samsara, so you got the wrong guy :V (though actually I'm not looking forward to porting Gina because aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa)

I just created SamsaraHold, so all credit for actually having samsara's resources available is from TerminusEst13 and Ijon Tichy.

Please check out their threads for progress on their works.

Now, on an entirely unrelated note, ALPHA 5! Not available to the public yet due to BestEver doing some major changes (switching locations of server), but it IS done.

[Phoenix7786]

Yeah I JUST realized that, So sorry! <insert my am dumb here>

How's the work on SH going anyways?

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Yeah I JUST realized that, So sorry! <insert my am dumb here>

How's the work on SH going anyways?

Sorry for the late reply, I wanted to wait for a big because...
It's going quite well.
So well in fact, ALPHA 5 is now out!

Have fun!

[Phoenix7786]

Hey no worries! Due to my living situation, I have to play it offline. I still get that fucking Catharsi bug, but I have made an observation. I only see this if I save and reload mid "round" (as in after intermission but before winning all waves). It has happened to me on B.J., S.O., and Parias. Does not happen to me on Chexster. Someone pointed out it has to be linked to the fact that Chexster is the only one to not leave dead bodies. When I reload, there's got to be some weird quirk where the enemy's body comes back (they don't count as living enemies so even if it says 0 enemies left they'll still be there). I haven't seen it on any of the later tiers, and since nobody else reports this bug it's got to be something linked to single-player, particularly loading mid-mission.

Sorry I always seem to have bad news for you. I'm so excited to play this online when I get back to the U.S next year.

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At this point, SamsaraHold is more or less ready to advance.

Since I'm now at a "Functional" stage (which given samsarahold's history, says a lot), I'd like to ask my forum mates if they have any feature requests, because adding features is fun.

I can't grant every feature you want, but I'll be happy to explain why a feature isn't getting in if it's not getting in.

BTW: The server is up, so have fun killing those demons. Hell's back with a vengeance, so be ready.

[TehRealSalt]

This is a lot of fun! I'm playing through the game with a buddy, and it's a grand old time.

Now that you are taking feature requests, I got an idea. Would a Highlander mode be doable? (If you don't know what that is, it's when there can only be one class being played at a time.)

I remember when I first tried this out, thinking that it'd be cool to get a group of 8 people and everyone would play as each of the classes in the game and attempt to beat the game. If a Highlander mode was implemented, then this whole thing would become more possible with strangers and I don't have to go onto a message-board or IRC and awkwardly put a message up to get a group together. Plus, less Rangers and more characters being played.

But, also a bug report (at least I think it's a bug). I went into the Hell secret mission (blue key one) with a buddy, and when we tried it out, we were bombarded with Marine guys "helping" us out. I put that in quotes because they weren't helping at all, they were just lagging up the server and making it hard to fight monsters. From my knowledge, there should only be a couple of guys around, but instead there were about a hundred. It looks like they were meant to scale with players, but I'd prefer them to not.