Mercenaries - progress? suuuuure ...

[Ænima]

You mean bullet wasting? I guess I could implement that but it would be off by default. The CCMD would be something like "sv_throwawayammo true".

[Pioruniej]

Yeah, just like what I meant, if you can implement that in the game as a toggle feature, it would be awesome!

[Ænima]

Alright, I'll see what I can do. I can probably just make it togglable for each player individually instead of serverwide, right?

I mean it's a handicap to have it enabled, so it's not like any players would have some sort of advantage by enabling it.

[MrSetharoo]

Can any one help me? Either I am completely stupid or I'm doing something wrong. I'm having a hard time trying to get this mod to load in Zandronum. The initial loading console gives me different errors.
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Script error, "mercs2-alpha2.pk3:weapons/ssg/decorate" line 1:
Parent type 'SSTSSG' not found in SSG
Script error, "mercs2-alpha2.pk3:weapons/ssg/decorate" line 4:
"weapon.preferredskin" requires an actor of type "Weapon"


Execution could not continue.

Script error, "mercs2-alpha2.pk3:weapons/ssg/decorate" line 4:
Unexpected 'SSGSkin' in definition of 'SSG'
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It also gives me one about a Minigun when I load it a different way.
To be honest this is the first time I've had an issue loading a mod with Skulltag/Zandronum.



(((EDIT)))
OK so after I did some research on the thread I'm guessing I'm loading them in the wrong order. So how do I go about loading them in a certain order?

[Ænima]

The order in which you load the pk3s matters.

The order should be:
skulltag_actors,
skulltag_data,
sst_v1.4rc4,
mercs2-alpha2

[MrSetharoo]

The order in which you load the pk3s matters.

The order should be:
skulltag_actors,
skulltag_data,
sst_v1.4rc4,
mercs2-alpha2

well I understand that much, but how would I go about doing that? I usually just drag 'n' drop or use the skins sub-folder method. Do I have to make a separate .cfg (I think I'm using the correct file type name, forgive me if I'm not) or do i have to create different sub-folders?

[Yellowtail]

If you're using IDE:
Go to "Single Player" and in the WADs section, type each file in the order given above and hit ENTER after putting in the names of each file. Then click "Start Game" at the bottom. (You may modify the other settings if you wish to do so).

There are other ways to do this (Batch file, Doomseeker), but this is the method I know.

[MrSetharoo]

If you're using IDE:
Go to "Single Player" and in the WADs section, type each file in the order given above and hit ENTER after putting in the names of each file. Then click "Start Game" at the bottom. (You may modify the other settings if you wish to do so).

There are other ways to do this (Batch file, Doomseeker), but this is the method I know.

Jesus, you guys respond fast. Anyways, I think I can handle it from here because I've used something similar to IDE on Megaman 8-bit Deathmatch.
Thank you for helping me out. It's kinda nice having a forum where people don't rip your head off if you don't know something. xD

Hey marijuan-eye, it'd probably be a good idea to add this information about how to load mod files in a certain order on the main post in the thread. ya know for people who are not used to using IDE or IDE related programs like me XD

[DevilHunter]

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Hey marijuan-eye, it'd probably be a good idea to add this information about how to load mod files in a certain order on the main post in the thread. ya know for people who are not used to using IDE or IDE related programs like me XD

It does have it on the First post, along in some, or many of these posts in the thread. Anyhow, ZDL is also a great way to load wads, though some say it sucks. I think its pure magic :p

Just click Here

Just remember, Always load Skulltag_Actors first, then Skulltag_Data, THEN SST, then Mercs, and your good to go.

[Doomer1]

Edit:

I went back and REALLY played this, and so here are my new suggestions
more refined.

Gun balance:

+ buff - nerf

+p228 rapid fire is quite inaccurate, needs to be less loose
+uzi is slightly too loose, needs more ammo, around 50.
+saiga reload is unbearably slow. needs slight speed boost 15%
-revolver fires way to fast, and is rediculously accurate; nullifies carbine

Item balance:

+ buff - nerf

+stimpack and healthpack way to damn expensive. (100 for pills?)
-beserk pack should be more expensive
-molotovs do alot of explodey damage
+gas could use more radius
+mag and 50 cal need boxes 18 and 10 respectively.
-shotgun ammo is super effective, and super cheap. x2 price suggested.
? do we really need clipped size ammo for sale? everything should be by
the box, and everything should be slightly more expensive. waste your money tough shit, shoulda checked the inventory bar.

Suggestions:

1.) Pistols: p228 is the only "pistol" pistol. magnum is a friggin sniper rifle atm, and while they both have definite roles, i think its too simple atm. to many guns is bad, but not enough is bad too.

-starting pistol should be glock sprite or something "puny" big clip little bang. a spray pistol that is used to start out and earn some cash for the next one. 3 shot burst for secondary (loose as hell, close quarters), mediocre accuracy when aimed, lower damage than now for the default pistol.

-medium pistol should be p228 as it is now with the above changes. used similar to now, good for medium distance when you fire slowely, spray for fast firing. not as fast as glock, more accurate, the "standard".

-large pistol should be colt 1911, perhaps the duke 64 with the laser? .45 cal pistol, 9 shots, slower to fire than the rest sort of the speed of the revolver now. has a melee attack like a kick or something. becomes the "ass kicker" gun. decent accuracy, high damage, slow speed and high recoil, and of course, low clip size.

-revolver becomes much slower, and more inaccurate; the power on this gun is rediculous, which is why the colt and the nerfed starter pistol is needed to break things up a little. it should still be good for long distances though, but shouldn't be the authority on it.

2.) Submachineguns: uzi or cx storm. good but...

- Uzi is good, change as above, total spray weapon, not even good for medium engagements. the "bullet hose"

-cx storm graphics are meh, but i love the gun. its fast, accurate, and does good enough damage for cheap ammo. love it. sort of the "assasin" gun.

-one more would be nice, in .45 if you implement the colt. not sure what sprite would be best. an mp5 or a ump would be good, slower firing, accurate, and high damage, but not as accurate or fast as the cx storm.
lowest clip size at 25, but highest damage, and medium range accuracy.
becomes the "shredder"

3.) Rifles: i love them all right now, but one more between the sniper and the assault rifles would be nice. the magnum is good but expensive, and the famas is good, but sort of stings like a butterfly and buzzes like a bee.

-m16 is good as it is.

-AK graphics are sorta out of place, and bad ish looking, but a fun gun.

-famas is good for what its supposed to do is spray accurately with
reasonable damage

- a 10 shot auto rifle would be nice; high recoil, 7.62 sniper. sort of like an SKS. there is a mauser sprite from ww2gi that could work, wildweasel did some work with it; you could take off the bolt and add a clip to it. no scope, high recoil, high damage. sorta between the magnum and the 5.56. becomes a sort of "equalizer" hunt medium sized monsters like demons or cacos without being as slow and bulky as the .50 cal or as costly as the magnum.

3.) shotguns and miscellaneous: shotguns are good but pump needs a melee, and menu could stand for a more polished and sorted look. im a big fan of multiple choice menus with graphics. a list for categories, like grenades, health, low tier weapons (shotties, pistols, subs), and high tier weapons (assault rifles, snipers, magnum stuff.)

finally, selling weapons would be nice, as sometimes i want to change out but i dont have enough cash. selling back for 75% of price would be nice,
and MELEE could use with some more options:

- Fists are fine as they are.
- knife would be nice
- chain saw would be the top of the line, and around 800; uses double blades. that would be SOOOO cool.


So anyway these are just some suggestions for you on what i feel would make this great but at the same time i respect and understand the undertaking this is being a fellow doom modder myself and working with weapons. (i worked alot on the EDGE forms)

Thanks,
Doomer1

[SpaceMarine]

Awesome work, looking forward for the final release :)

[dwango433]

i don't have sst_v1.4rc4 version i have sst_v1.4rc5 help give me rc4 version

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sorry im stupid i have converted pk7 to pk3

[Ænima]

i don't have sst_v1.4rc4 version i have sst_v1.4rc5 help give me rc4 version

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sorry im stupid i have converted pk7 to pk3

It works with SST rc5 too.

[Necromancer-AMV]

I tried my hand at an alternate buy menu background. I tried to keep the same proportions, positions and color scheme for everything, but the black box on the bottom I moved up a bit so there could be a bevel effect around the outside to better integrate it into the image. Also the lower middle box has a different texture because I couldn't figure out what you used :V Tell me what you think.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Ænima]

I tried my hand at an alternate buy menu background. I tried to keep the same proportions, positions and color scheme for everything, but the black box on the bottom I moved up a bit so there could be a bevel effect around the outside to better integrate it into the image. Also the lower middle box has a different texture because I couldn't figure out what you used :V Tell me what you think.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

I love it! Thanks a million. Can I use it for the next version?

[DevilHunter]

I tried my hand at an alternate buy menu background. I tried to keep the same proportions, positions and color scheme for everything, but the black box on the bottom I moved up a bit so there could be a bevel effect around the outside to better integrate it into the image. Also the lower middle box has a different texture because I couldn't figure out what you used :V Tell me what you think.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

That looks flipping Awesome. Nice job thar, hope Aenima can Use it next version.. if there ever is :o

EDIT: my bad, pressed the wrong button when I was posting. Had the size tag in there Derp

[Necromancer-AMV]

I love it! Thanks a million. Can I use it for the next version?

Sure!

[legio42lupus]

Too i have that error:

Can any one help me? Either I am completely stupid or I'm doing something wrong. I'm having a hard time trying to get this mod to load in Zandronum. The initial loading console gives me different errors.
--------------------------------------------------------
Script error, "mercs2-alpha2.pk3:weapons/ssg/decorate" line 1:
Parent type 'SSTSSG' not found in SSG
Script error, "mercs2-alpha2.pk3:weapons/ssg/decorate" line 4:
"weapon.preferredskin" requires an actor of type "Weapon"


Execution could not continue.

Script error, "mercs2-alpha2.pk3:weapons/ssg/decorate" line 4:
Unexpected 'SSGSkin' in definition of 'SSG'
------------------------------------------------------------------
It also gives me one about a Minigun when I load it a different way.
To be honest this is the first time I've had an issue loading a mod with Skulltag/Zandronum.



(((EDIT)))
OK so after I did some research on the thread I'm guessing I'm loading them in the wrong order. So how do I go about loading them in a certain order?

After i decide to use the Gzdoom but lauch me this:

Script error, "m1skulltag_actors.pk3:actors/misc.txt" line 16:
Invalid state parameter a_faceconsoleplayer

I try to use the ZDL and the IDE, nut i dunno use that.

Anyone, please help me!!! I want to play.



Greeting from Colombia

[Ænima]

You can't use GZDoom. Mercenaries only works with Zandronum.

[legio42lupus]

OH!!! but anyway, that doesn´t work, and in Zandronum, shows me the error, and seriously your mod is awesome. Please Help Me.