John Zombie challenges capodecima

[Nati46]

Remember when i posted demo's of me beating you in public matches that weren't the real thing?

Well, you're pulling a Denzoa JZ.

I beg to differ, in the demo you posted I had no idea about who I was playing against until the end of the last match. In this case both knew who the opponent was, + he picked what's supposed to be his best map thinking about grabbing an easy victory. I don't see how this isn't supposed to be the "real thing"

Funny enough, I think most of the people on this thread still remember JZ talking a bunch of crap to you and still losing. Never forget.

Yeah I've lost against someone that has been using some shady cheats for god only knows how long. Shame on me

1. It's not really a cheat, 2.My ping vs you in that match was low, so I wasn't using it, 3. AlienOverlord made this WAAAAY after our match, but hey nice try at an excuse lol.

Do you still seriously try and justify yourself by saying that's not a cheat? Several staff members have agreed unanimously that it is considered a cheat, and your (albeit short) ban should have settled that point already.

[Danzoa]

Remember when i posted demo's of me beating you in public matches that weren't the real thing?

Well, you're pulling a Denzoa JZ.

I beg to differ, in the demo you posted I had no idea about who I was playing against until the end of the last match. In this case both knew who the opponent was, + he picked what's supposed to be his best map thinking about grabbing an easy victory. I don't see how this isn't supposed to be the "real thing"

Funny enough, I think most of the people on this thread still remember JZ talking a bunch of crap to you and still losing. Never forget.

Yeah I've lost against someone that has been using some shady cheats for god only knows how long. Shame on me

1. It's not really a cheat, 2.My ping vs you in that match was low, so I wasn't using it, 3. AlienOverlord made this WAAAAY after our match, but hey nice try at an excuse lol.

Do you still seriously try and justify yourself by saying that's not a cheat? Several staff members have agreed unanimously that it is considered a cheat, and your (albeit short) ban should have settled that point already.

I've been banned over personal grudges alot, they don't prove much.

Also, you really love to keep arguing about this don't you lol? It's not a cheat, atleast not to me because I don't NEED it to beat 99% of the players i beat with it, and it's not like i constantly used it, it was pretty much only against you and some random aliasers no one cares about, whom are probably slowmotion and shadowfox etc.

And when i played you with it, I usually raised it to what yours was or 20-30 higher, and the fact that I beat you with 87 ping after you claimed i never aimed that well with it, proved that I didn't really need it to win either, so call it a cheat, but to me that's just an excuse to cover up your massive losses against me lol, and you're just giving me a great time laughing at it too :P.

[Samurai]

Why did you agree to using it in their first place? You must have known that it would have given you an advantage no matter how large or small. In any sort of competitive enviroment a person who uses a specific tool to gain an advantage on another person is regarded as cheating, weather that be sports, gaming even applying for a job ... Still it is classed as 'cheating'.

[Nati46]

I beg to differ, in the demo you posted I had no idea about who I was playing against until the end of the last match. In this case both knew who the opponent was, + he picked what's supposed to be his best map thinking about grabbing an easy victory. I don't see how this isn't supposed to be the "real thing"


Yeah I've lost against someone that has been using some shady cheats for god only knows how long. Shame on me

1. It's not really a cheat, 2.My ping vs you in that match was low, so I wasn't using it, 3. AlienOverlord made this WAAAAY after our match, but hey nice try at an excuse lol.

Do you still seriously try and justify yourself by saying that's not a cheat? Several staff members have agreed unanimously that it is considered a cheat, and your (albeit short) ban should have settled that point already.

I've been banned over personal grudges alot, they don't prove much.

Also, you really love to keep arguing about this don't you lol? It's not a cheat, atleast not to me because I don't NEED it to beat 99% of the players i beat with it, and it's not like i constantly used it, it was pretty much only against you and some random aliasers no one cares about, whom are probably slowmotion and shadowfox etc.

And when i played you with it, I usually raised it to what yours was or 20-30 higher, and the fact that I beat you with 87 ping after you claimed i never aimed that well with it, proved that I didn't really need it to win either, so call it a cheat, but to me that's just an excuse to cover up your massive losses against me lol, and you're just giving me a great time laughing at it too :P.

Sure whatever. Just pretend that all of your ragequits/thrown games never happened, that is all

Heh I cba getting into this engagement again, you always use some dumb reasoning to try and make yourself look clean. Fact is that you have abused a serious bug in the unlagged code which gave you unprecedented levels of aim, yet you still try and justify it. I think that the ban would speak for itself, but as I expected you still think you are right and that you did nothing wrong

[Zeberpal]

What the hell's wrong with me forgeting to bring yummies each time I read this thread.

[Metal]

Capo/JZ if you're still reading this, I would actually like to see a good match between you and JZ, drama aside. Demo would be nice.

[Danzoa]

1. It's not really a cheat, 2.My ping vs you in that match was low, so I wasn't using it, 3. AlienOverlord made this WAAAAY after our match, but hey nice try at an excuse lol.

Do you still seriously try and justify yourself by saying that's not a cheat? Several staff members have agreed unanimously that it is considered a cheat, and your (albeit short) ban should have settled that point already.

I've been banned over personal grudges alot, they don't prove much.

Also, you really love to keep arguing about this don't you lol? It's not a cheat, atleast not to me because I don't NEED it to beat 99% of the players i beat with it, and it's not like i constantly used it, it was pretty much only against you and some random aliasers no one cares about, whom are probably slowmotion and shadowfox etc.

And when i played you with it, I usually raised it to what yours was or 20-30 higher, and the fact that I beat you with 87 ping after you claimed i never aimed that well with it, proved that I didn't really need it to win either, so call it a cheat, but to me that's just an excuse to cover up your massive losses against me lol, and you're just giving me a great time laughing at it too :P.

Sure whatever. Just pretend that all of your ragequits/thrown games never happened, that is all

Heh I cba getting into this engagement again, you always use some dumb reasoning to try and make yourself look clean. Fact is that you have abused a serious bug in the unlagged code which gave you unprecedented levels of aim, yet you still try and justify it. I think that the ban would speak for itself, but as I expected you still think you are right and that you did nothing wrong

A bug yes, who doesn't abuse them, are you calling SR50 a cheat right now? lol.

And fine, call it a cheat, but SR50 originally is cheating too, no matter how you look at it, it used to be something only a certain few amount of players knew about, and then everyone started abusing it.

Sooner or later people are going to keep working with this bug, and they're gonna keep using it over and over to improve their gameplay, and at that time no one's even gonna give a damn anymore anyways lol.

But for now, let's just sit back, and enjoy the show ;) !

[Catastrophe]

But sr50 doesn't require you to load an external program to use it.

[Slyfox]

Huh? But I thought sr50 was always in the game, only people started making aliases and binds to be easier.
"SR50 (to the right) may be activated using Run, Forward, Strafe Right, Strafe On, and Turn Right (shift, up arrow, period, alt, and right arrow in the default keyboard arrangement)."
Unlike an external program used to abuse netcode in a game that wasn't originally there (unlagged)
Edit: The fuck blue, ninja'd

[Nati46]

Do you still seriously try and justify yourself by saying that's not a cheat? Several staff members have agreed unanimously that it is considered a cheat, and your (albeit short) ban should have settled that point already.

I've been banned over personal grudges alot, they don't prove much.

Also, you really love to keep arguing about this don't you lol? It's not a cheat, atleast not to me because I don't NEED it to beat 99% of the players i beat with it, and it's not like i constantly used it, it was pretty much only against you and some random aliasers no one cares about, whom are probably slowmotion and shadowfox etc.

And when i played you with it, I usually raised it to what yours was or 20-30 higher, and the fact that I beat you with 87 ping after you claimed i never aimed that well with it, proved that I didn't really need it to win either, so call it a cheat, but to me that's just an excuse to cover up your massive losses against me lol, and you're just giving me a great time laughing at it too :P.

Sure whatever. Just pretend that all of your ragequits/thrown games never happened, that is all

Heh I cba getting into this engagement again, you always use some dumb reasoning to try and make yourself look clean. Fact is that you have abused a serious bug in the unlagged code which gave you unprecedented levels of aim, yet you still try and justify it. I think that the ban would speak for itself, but as I expected you still think you are right and that you did nothing wrong

A bug yes, who doesn't abuse them, are you calling SR50 a cheat right now? lol.

And fine, call it a cheat, but SR50 originally is cheating too, no matter how you look at it, it used to be something only a certain few amount of players knew about, and then everyone started abusing it.

Sooner or later people are going to keep working with this bug, and they're gonna keep using it over and over to improve their gameplay, and at that time no one's even gonna give a damn anymore anyways lol.

But for now, let's just sit back, and enjoy the show ;) !

One of the reasons behind me making the sr50 guide (which is in my sig below) was to allow everyone the ability to use it.
And it is not a cheat for a few reasons:

-It is possible to activate without using my bind, just requiring some practise (hell some old players still use the original methods for it)

-It uses a zandronum (and originally zdoom) feature of multiple bindings to one key, or aliases, does not abuse any feature, and as Blue mentioned above, does not require a custom client.

-It has been in doom for many years, at least since 2006, and was pretty known (definitely to administrators), and as far as I know no one recieved a masterban for using it. On the other hand you were banned for it the day it was acknowledged by staff , and it is since then outlawed in the major server clusters.

I know that all of these arguments are moot since you will keep being persistent and refuse to even listen to what people think different than you, but at least I'm bringing up this general argument over whether sr50 is a cheat.

[Danzoa]

But sr50 doesn't require you to load an external program to use it.

The ping changing thing wasn't an external program either btw, it's just a zandronum.exe with an extra command to allow it, it's pretty much in zandronum already, you just have to add a code for it or smth lol.

[Kara Kurt]

SR50 is cheating, ok... that one is awesome, guess you've read that wiki page. Basically it is the SR-50 automation that was somewhat considered a sort of cheat not the SR50 itself.

Danzoa don't you remember when you were claiming that you've had a bad ping and you were stating that with a better ping you would have been better, when in fact was a fraudulence.

I'm willing to bet that you grew up with Scylla.

[Wirtualnosc]

You can also add code to zandronum.exe and make a wallhack out of it. That doesn't justify anything.

[Catastrophe]

But sr50 doesn't require you to load an external program to use it.

The ping changing thing wasn't an external program either btw, it's just a zandronum.exe with an extra command to allow it, it's pretty much in zandronum already, you just have to add a code for it or smth lol.

So you had to modify Zandronum.exe itself to give yourself the advantage. Whereas sr50 requires you to simply make a bind.

Either way, it's an unfair advantage.

[Samurai]

I'm willing to bet that you grew up with Scylla.

One of my favourite euros for entertainment purposes, second only to capo ...

What was it he did again, play a ZD duel tourney and sent up another pc monitor next to his so he could f12 the player he was dueling? ... Rofl, he really did go to extreme measures to win a doom duel, even going to the lengths of buying a £100+ monitor to fund his ambition

[John Zombie]

Capo/JZ if you're still reading this, I would actually like to see a good match between you and JZ, drama aside. Demo would be nice.

I guess I'll give him one more chance to accept going through the whole challenge without rq'ing like he did yesterday, anyway looks like he already made his intentions clear

One of my favourite euros for entertainment purposes, second only to capo ...

What was it he did again, play a ZD duel tourney and sent up another pc monitor next to his so he could f12 the player he was dueling? ... Rofl, he really did go to extreme measures to win a doom duel, even going to the lengths of buying a £100+ monitor to fund his ambition

Rofl blatantly cheating thinking to fool everyone, then denying it once caught. The history repeats itself http://forums.zdaemon.org/viewtopic.php ... a1a#268834
Must be a belgian thing or something

[Kara Kurt]

[John Zombie]

Nothing else to do here I guess. It's quite amusing how you keep throwing shit challenges to everyone and when someone actually offers you a proper challenge you pretend you left competition :D
Keep rocking at begging clan leaders for 2 days straight to kick people/ragequitting at "wheelchair combos", Mr. all talk and no trousers

[Zakken]

" CASUAL GAMING ^_^" is a very hilarious and ironic name for him. :o