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Posted: **Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:55 pm**

Originally this thread was the listing for all active clans in the community, but as it could only be updated by myself or a moderator, it was rather inconvenient as things actively change around here often. With that being the case, another good samaritan of the community started a wiki page to replace the clan index as wiki pages can be edited by anyone, unlike a forum thread. So you can now find the new competitive clan index on the official Zandronum wiki:

>> http://wiki.zandronum.com/Clans <<

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:16 am**

I thought RosKing & Beast lead R, or at least found R. Unless I'm mistaken .-.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:17 am**

A well coordinated list, thanks for contributing!

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:18 am**

Dark Wyvern wrote: I thought RosKing & Beast lead R, or at least found R. Unless I'm mistaken .-.

RosKing & Beast did launch R, but according to Jenova R employs a leaderless democracy system, much like LF and PRO.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:19 am**

From #EL Topic : Inactive: Farts (Frits)
From #PRO Topic : Inactive : Capt.J3 , Remmirath , Totengott , Hioshen, NzY, Odymex, Quiksilver, Shogun, Stipsi, Fsn67

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:30 pm**

Li was founded december of 2012 :|

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:01 pm**

You should get rid of skill level.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:03 pm**

Catastrophe wrote: You should get rid of skill level.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:03 pm**

Also what happened to VGL?

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:02 pm**

Catastrophe wrote: You should get rid of skill level.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:22 pm**

Catastrophe wrote: You should get rid of skill level.

this pretty much, otherwise nice thread.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:36 pm**

I'm not sure if skill level is that unneeded that it has to be removed, I think it would let new people know what they should shoot for and what clan they could possibly fall towards, who to go to for gameplay advice etc.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:45 pm**

Razgriz wrote: I'm not sure if skill level is that unneeded that it has to be removed, I think it would let new people know what they should shoot for and what clan they could possibly fall towards, who to go to for gameplay advice etc.

True...Maybe if it was more....right? then I can understand keeping it i guess..

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:54 pm**

Razgriz wrote: I'm not sure if skill level is that unneeded that it has to be removed, I think it would let new people know what they should shoot for and what clan they could possibly fall towards, who to go to for gameplay advice etc.

Again, a good point not to remove the skill level , but then again , most people know eachother's skill level here in game , meaning the skill level is useless when you can calculate and estimate a clan level skill by knowing what members are in the clan. Sometimes you underestimate , other times you overestimate. The only way you find out it's like how you calculated is by scrimming that clan.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:55 pm**

Catastrophe wrote: You should get rid of skill level.

^
It's subjective, unless there is some clan tourney after which one could officially say "clan A is better than clan B".

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:08 pm**

Average seems like the lowest rating? That can't be right :/

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:17 pm**

Decay wrote: No, that simply means there are no classified "terrible" clans. Get over yourselves, really.

I dunno, maybe a number would be better. If these really are all the clans that play competitively then average would be the clan in the middle.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:18 pm**

Got a problem with the rating? clanwar one of the "higher" clans and prove it wrong then!
Edit: otherwise, sit down, drink some soda, it'll be alright

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:44 pm**

Sparr0w wrote: True...Maybe if it was more....right? then I can understand keeping it i guess..

I think most of those rating are right and some probably a bit more fair than they should be, but I don't see anyone explicitly arguing which rating is "wrong".

IdeIdoom wrote: Again, a good point not to remove the skill level , but then again , most people know eachother's skill level here in game , meaning the skill level is useless when you can calculate and estimate a clan level skill by knowing what members are in the clan. Sometimes you underestimate , other times you overestimate. The only way you find out it's like how you calculated is by scrimming that clan.

The Idea is not for us who are already here, more for those who are interested in joining the clan scene who don't have an idea about anything clan-related.

Konar6 wrote: It's subjective, unless there is some clan tourney after which one could officially say "clan A is better than clan B".

I believe the rating is ambiguous enough that it gives new people an idea about where a clan stands in the grand scheme of things. It it's precise enough for people to say "Well it is likely that this High skilled clan can beat this Average skilled clan". If you get any more detailed THEN that is when it becomes far more subjective and harder to gauge, and really, there are so many factors why clans can lose against each other it wouldn't be worth it.

one_Two wrote: I dunno, maybe a number would be better. If these really are all the clans that play competitively then average would be the clan in the middle.

Average exists now because there are some clans not listed that are under the radar in terms of skill level. Numbers would probably be equally bad. How would the number system work? 1=highest 3=lowest? Though really if people get offended by the skill rating then instead of trying to get rid of it they should change it. I haven't frequented priv lately but when I last scrimmed I was surprised at how much better certain people got.

Posted: **Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:45 pm**

Slyfox wrote: Got a problem with the rating? clanwar one of the "higher" clans and prove it wrong then!
Edit: otherwise, sit down, drink some soda, it'll be alright

Decay wrote: No, that simply means there are no classified "terrible" clans. Get over yourselves, really.

I couldn't agree more to these posts.

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