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Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by Decay » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:07 pm

After being banned and suspended multiple times on this forum, I wanted to post up a suggestion that may or may not be helpful regarding the distinction between banned and suspended accounts.

Currently the only difference between suspended and banned accounts (not ip banned accounts) is that, when signed in, the suspended users can view 3 forums + the hidden forum that just has the forum rules and says you fucked up. Usually a suspension is a result of less than desirable forms of posting and is not intended to be permanent, rather it's like a more enforced "warning" sort of deal. Banned users are usually removed for harsher offences, but bans are limited anyway, there is no such thing as a perma-ban except for Mobius, who was banned for ridiculous reasons anyway.

My suggestion here is making the suspended user a bit more distinguished by retaining the ability to post strictly under moderator approval. This gives moderators more of a chance to see whether or not they improve posting habits. Mods are under no obligation to approve posts (rejection with comment, ie: too aggressive) and are not under a time frame for approving any posts.

This also gives the suspended user a chance to participate still in the community, though whether or not they engage in moderated posting is up to them, but having the opportunity is nice. For example, a user is suspended for 3 months, but projects they are interested in spring up and they would like to give feedback or cannot. Under this method, they could potentially contribute to the community, but would be barred from posting in bait threads or posting bait via moderated posting.

This method also allows more flexible suspension times, given that the moderators can see in real time if the poster is making efforts to improve. For example, a 3 month suspension could potentially be shortened with good posting habits after 1 or 2 months instead of a full 3.

"But Decay, the underlying purpose of suspensions might be different." If a user is suspended for simple removal, why not just do a "ban" to make it clearer that they are being removed from the community for a specified length of time?

In any case, I think a clearer distinction between the two would be nice, with suspended users have more or less limited access to the forums/community as opposed to no access (disregarding in-game/IRC), and wanted to put this forward for anyone's opinion. What do you think?

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Post by Zakken » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:15 pm

This is a nice idea.
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Post by Ænima » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:31 pm

Did you take screens of your suspension? It's been forever since I got purg'd, I usually just get banned.
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RE: Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by Decay » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:35 pm

There is no "purgatory" as suspended users cannot pm or post anywhere. Essentially it is being banned with the exceptions of being able to see "Editing General Help", "General Help and Support", and I want to say the "Announcements" forum but it might be the development forum.

Edit: No I did not take screens, there is no need to.
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Post by one_Two » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:14 pm

Seems to subside the fact that a suspension is a form of punishment, thus being able to post if a mod lets you (which would likely create tons of drama) seems like a let off. Rules are rules, just stick to them or leave tbh

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Post by Ru5tK1ng » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:23 pm

I have a better suggestion: Change the 'Suspended' user group to 'Vacation' since uppity posters who get suspended need a break from the forums every time.
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RE: Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by Decay » Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:09 pm

one_Two wrote:Seems to subside the fact that a suspension is a form of punishment, thus being able to post if a mod lets you (which would likely create tons of drama) seems like a let off. Rules are rules, just stick to them or leave tbh
I think you are missing the point. Essentially the "suspended" and "banned" user groups are the same. Currently, there is no real purpose to having two separate groups for the same thing. What I'm offering is a suggestion on making the "suspended" group different.

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RE: Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by one_Two » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:00 am

Decay wrote:
one_Two wrote:Seems to subside the fact that a suspension is a form of punishment, thus being able to post if a mod lets you (which would likely create tons of drama) seems like a let off. Rules are rules, just stick to them or leave tbh
I think you are missing the point. Essentially the "suspended" and "banned" user groups are the same. Currently, there is no real purpose to having two separate groups for the same thing. What I'm offering is a suggestion on making the "suspended" group different.


I get what you're saying but it's not really a problem is it, the main difference is users can see if a person will be able to post one day or not.

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RE: Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by Razgriz » Wed Jun 17, 2015 12:07 am

one_Two wrote:
Decay wrote:
one_Two wrote:Seems to subside the fact that a suspension is a form of punishment, thus being able to post if a mod lets you (which would likely create tons of drama) seems like a let off. Rules are rules, just stick to them or leave tbh
I think you are missing the point. Essentially the "suspended" and "banned" user groups are the same. Currently, there is no real purpose to having two separate groups for the same thing. What I'm offering is a suggestion on making the "suspended" group different.


I get what you're saying but it's not really a problem is it, the main difference is users can see if a person will be able to post one day or not.


So you're saying users (such as yourself) will have problems if people who you think don't deserve to post are able to?

I'm 100% sure it would be a good thing if being suspended forces people to make better, more constructive posts. It's a good habit to have.
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RE: Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by Ænima » Wed Jun 17, 2015 1:01 am

Honestly I didn't learn anything from being "suspended" ("purgatory" at the time) that I didn't learn from being banned. There were only 2 other people in purg with me at the time (John-O and FireWolf aka Conflagrated) so it was basically like a chat room daycare where we spammed topics that would only get 2 or 3 replies and pretended to play nice (except John-O).

The only highlights were when me and FireWolf posted random maps and screens knowing full well that only the admins could see it. That was the only constructive moment I remember and I can't guarantee that a member who's not a mapper would do the same, it was kind of like the only thing TO do, Metal basically said that we had no set duration, we would be in there until we posted civilly enough times to be deemed worthy of freedom.


Just ban people. "Suspension" should just mean "temp ban" whereas "BANNED" should mean "perm ban nevercomingback".
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RE: Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by The Toxic Avenger » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:54 am

That's pretty much what we do now

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RE: Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by mifu » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:03 am

Hello guys.

Sorry for the bump but I shall let you know that I had a bit of a look into this and quite frankly Decay is right. Theres not much distinction between being suspended and being banned.

Since I now have spare time in my hands though I will be working out a way to change it based on Decay's suggestion. Not sure when we can expect this to occur though as I have a fair bit of shit to discuss now in relation to this (just to work out what is suitable and if we got enough staff to get posts approved etc)

That being said, change is happening and will happen soon.
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RE: Suggestion: Suspension/ban distinction

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Post by Dark-Assassin » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:43 am

When the Suspension group was set up on these forums, it was originally intended to stop people from posting and that was it.
It was built as a workaround for the tempoary bans that pretty much used to be Banned on short timer. Now it seems it's mostly back at that again.

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Post by Zanieon » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:58 am

mifu wrote:change is happening and will happen soon.


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