VGL Workshop #02: How to Play: Map13

[Jenova]

Although I feel that people are unfairly bashing your clan for being bad when they themselves are bad players (a lot of people in this thread) maybe you should actually write the guide before you post a topic about it? Like at least write something? This is basically a useless topic. We don't need your announcement that you plan to write a guide, you should actually write the guide them submit it.

Also here is a guide for playing map13:

offense: get the soulsphere and mega armor (armor first so the enemy doesn't steal it)

mid: try to steal their mega armor, damage their 200/200 runner, fall back if he makes it into base or if you don't notice him for a while (in the latter case he probably snuck past you)

d: don't suck / plasma spam / don't suck

[Blitzkrieg]

Well the reason for releasing this earlier is because I mentioned I would do it weekly when in fact plans had changed. Solid start right there though, we'll just have to make it into a format that's presentable. The main reason for posting it early that it is in the works is that we can ensure that enough people are onboard to get it done in a timely manner.

[Blitzkrieg]

Bump! As promised, we have delivered. It doesn't cover everything, but it certainly touches on everything you need to know going into the map. For example, it shows how the teleporters up top are connected, and implies that you can pretty much skip the entire midfield using it. Hope y'all enjoy it! Took us some time. On to the next objective! Critique is welcome as usual, as well.

[Catastrophe]

I like this presentation, nice work.

[ZZYZX]

JPG :(
Also the text is under the left border...
Also opengl filtering and dynlights :( My fault tho.

Overall nice guide but previous had cleaner look.

[Blitzkrieg]

Blame the upload. For some reason imgur decided to reformat my lovely png.

I noticed the screenshots weren't as clean. And the bordering is easily fixable. I decided to format each object as it's own layer, so that's not a problem. :P

Maybe next time you'll help me write the guide! :)

Thanks for the feedback, guys.

[-_-]

I request map30 or map08 guide.
Or M01 :P

[Blitzkrieg]

Just revised it! Thanks for the feedback guys.

[Slyfox]

Very good guide, I utilized it very well in our recent scrim, thanks for the tips and tricks

[Blitzkrieg]

Genuinely glad it helped! We're taking suggestions for the third workshop. I'm glad that this one turned out much better than the previous one.

[Armitage]

Would genuinely like to see a guide on 06 as defence is tricky there :v

[ZZYZX]

Defense at map 06 in 2.5 words: USE SOUND HEH (also use RL a bit though)
Then just stand back to the teleporter and listen for guys falling out of the tunnel, turn around, aim and shoot. Otherwise look at the three front entrances, and also aim and shoot. The entrance with a switch also makes a sound when they come from there.
You can also try half-mid but it's hard against people who can frag. I personally fail at mid-d there.

also

Helping your competitors doesn't keep the scene alive, it just makes you easier to beat. You don't see Coaches in professional sports giving away game plans and plays.

You see, I have at least three four five counterarguments here.
1. In this port you're either the clan that beats everyone regardless, or the clan that loses to everyone regardless. +- one guide doesn't change anything.
2. Isn't there more interest in playing against good opponents instead of beating trash over and over?
3. Zandronum isn't comparable to professional sport. Even tournaments here are casual. This is where point 2 works.
4. What about d2m1 duel guide :D ?
5. Unlike professional sports, here private CTF games happen. Where I'd get to play with Armitage who won't know how to d map 06, or with someone who can't play map 18 at all. As such, I'm actually having my interest in helping others.

[Blitzkrieg]

Noted! Anyone else for map06? If enough people want it...then that's what we'll do!

[Mobius]

1. In this port you're either the clan that beats everyone regardless, or the clan that loses to everyone regardless. +- one guide doesn't change anything.

So what does that make my clan which can lose to like a few clans and then beat a few others? That line makes no sense.

2. Isn't there more interest in playing against good opponents instead of beating trash over and over?

No amount of guides is going to make the same players that play every day get any better. Who are you writing these guides for? The very clan scene consist of people we've fought for the past 5 years.

4. What about d2m1 duel guide :D ?

A map that requires infinite patience if your opponent decides to play defensively at the chainsaw. The same map requiring practice and I mean practice against players that are actually good.

5. Unlike professional sports, here private CTF games happen.

What?

[Ru5tK1ng]

Defense at map 06 in 2.5 words: USE SOUND HEH (also use RL a bit though)

Helping your competitors doesn't keep the scene alive, it just makes you easier to beat. You don't see Coaches in professional sports giving away game plans and plays.

You see, I have at least three four five counterarguments here.
1. In this port you're either the clan that beats everyone regardless, or the clan that loses to everyone regardless. +- one guide doesn't change anything.

So according to you, the only clans that exist are R and VGL?

2. Isn't there more interest in playing against good opponents instead of beating trash over and over?

It's more interesting to just simply play in this slowly dying scene.

3. Zandronum isn't comparable to professional sport. Even tournaments here are casual. This is where point 2 works.

Not duel tournaments. I can assure the top players who took part and won them are beyond the level of 'casual' that you are.

4. What about d2m1 duel guide :D ?

What about it? People like Jkist and Hatred could go toe-to-toe with Dev on map01 because they were good, knew how Dev played and what to counter.

5. Unlike professional sports, here private CTF games happen. Where I'd get to play with Armitage who won't know how to d map 06, or with someone who can't play map 18 at all. As such, I'm actually having my interest in helping others.

Sounds like an interest in bettering them so they can carry you??