Brutal Doom Author remains banned (not anymore)

[NachtIntellect]

:I Well damn, I was just about to get the tracking devices required to make the said ankle bracelets.

[Konda]

His ban was 2 years long. Aka, not permaban. So, he deserves to be unbanned not because he was nice Which I doubt he was, by the by[/size] but because the rules we all had agreed to follow say so.

It's a tricky thing. My train of thought was on the exact same route as yours before I read Term's post. The point of any kind of punishment is to correct unwanted behavior. And apparently, according to his activities on other forums, there is no sign of improvement (don't take my word for it though, that's what everyone else has been saying). So, wouldn't that mean that the ban still shouldn't be removed if his behavior did not change? On the other side, as you said, the ban should be removed because that was the "agreement" when the ban was set.

Regardless, I think mods made the right decision here. It's not gonna be harmful or anything if he starts stirring up some drama. Just ban him again, permamently if desirable. I find it more "professional" that way on the mods' side, by not peeping at what the person is doing outside the forums to decide whether they should be unbanned.
Also, if the ban wasn't removed after the set period, then what would that mean for ban lengths?

Anyway, none of this really matters anymore, it's just an interesting food for thought.

[Neo]

Well if a man such as this thats obviously made a very good mod for the doom community is going to be hateful im seeing a conflict here for me (Windows has encountered a problem and must now restart) Id definately say go with a ban if its anything way to NSFW but other wise if its just a simple trash talk i dont see where this is going. basically saying hes going to do the same thing over again just because of his past man thats pretty low honestly thats like running up to a 10 year coke addict that just walked out a 6 month rehab visit and punching him then yelling your gonna get addicted again for sure!

[Neo]

proof read

read the topic

proof read again

your post makes no sense

try again

To attack someone for they're past and say they will do it again is low

[Neo]

Well ive heard somethings like that so maybe so id say just let whatever is gonna happen' happen and if he's at it again then so ban him ofcourse but id like to see brutal doom subjects posted to these forums because alas it is my favorite doom wad series

[Dark-Assassin]

nah it sums up 99% of this community nicely you will learn

no signs of change

aggressive and hostile

Reminds me of someone

[mifu]

Seems like I missed a bunch of stuff. Well a fair few important things anyhoo.

Anyways I need to explain something

Why are you guys even debating this? It's not something we as forum members should be in control of let the mods handle everything and just leave this alone.

But how does that make it my concern whether or not his timed ban should or should not be extended?

A staff decision was made then, I don't see why it's suddenly up to us lowly community peons now.

Interesting, very interesting but I think community discussion about stuff (like this in particular) is pretty important. This is something that was lacking before IMO.

Yes the decision will always lie with the staff, you cant deny that but opinions and reasoning from people in the community is always good. It helps make the community an awesome place to be apart off. I mean as long as the discussion is quite civil, I am generally cool with it.

To be quite frank, if Decay did not make this thread... well shit I forgot about his ban too and that would be a huge problem if that was the case for any other ban.

Why are you guys even debating this? It's not something we as forum members should be in control of let the mods handle everything and just leave this alone.

Funny, that last time this mindset of leaving everything to mods without any discussion was put to action, bad things happened. Youtube bannings and master bans made out of spite, personal grudges, and emotion bias + many other things occurred. But thankfully that is in the past and things are more peaceful now.

Yea without discussion, things probably will get out of whack. Kinda why we are not really worried about this thread

How is this thread still alive? u.u

Because.. civil discussion

Well if a man such as this thats obviously made a very good mod for the doom community is going to be hateful im seeing a conflict here for me (Windows has encountered a problem and must now restart) Id definately say go with a ban if its anything way to NSFW but other wise if its just a simple trash talk i dont see where this is going. basically saying hes going to do the same thing over again just because of his past man thats pretty low honestly thats like running up to a 10 year coke addict that just walked out a 6 month rehab visit and punching him then yelling your gonna get addicted again for sure!

I wish it was standard trash talk, I really wish it was but it aint.

I dont know about you but sgt mark is quite well known to be a dick to anyone and everyone.

proof read

read the topic

proof read again

your post makes no sense

try again

To attack someone for they're past and say they will do it again is low

Now I need to say this. He had other issues here before (warnings if you may) and he has not taken those to heart. Also his stunt of suggesting that killing yourself is a way out is pretty disgusting but alas, that drama was from another community (although part of doom) and it found its way here where sgt mark was advised he should apologize, yet he decided to be sarcastic and thus caused his own downfall.

Sorry but I cant really blame anyone who thinks that sgt mark is still bad news. It's human nature. Ive even heard people call him "toxic waste" because hes toxic. It does not matter much anymore though and you will know why in a few lines.

Well ive heard somethings like that so maybe so id say just let whatever is gonna happen' happen and if he's at it again then so ban him ofcourse but id like to see brutal doom subjects posted to these forums because alas it is my favorite doom wad series

We dont disallow brutal doom posts but I will tell you the community is sick of the good ole "Brutal doom does not work with x mod, oh its in my skins folder" or "make this mod compatible with brutal doom" I am only judging this based on post history by the way. We have seen both types of threads a lot and they end up being the same answer. I mean if you want to talk about brutal doom, then fine. Nothing wrong with that.

In any case, Mr Sgt Mark is indeed un-banned but his posts are under moderation for now. It means we see his posts before anyone else does. I mean, hell might freeze over or something unusual happens and hes being nice, maybe. I understand both frustrations of him being still banned due to the time being expired and then keeping him banned but honestly we forgot his ban expired and we are sorry so it was only fair to unban him, while at the same time addressing the concerns of various community folk.

Oh and I am not locking this thread yet. It's a good discussion, thus progress is made.

Anyways thats it from me, I covered everything I hope :P

Oh one more thing.

nah it sums up 99% of this community nicely you will learn

no signs of change

aggressive and hostile

Reminds me of someone

[D00D_GuY]

Are you guys still talking about this? Sarge has apologized and promised he won't be a bag of dicks anymore. Besides it was like 2 years ago.

[TankDempsey]

Does he even know he's unbanned at this point? I doubt he's going to come back anyway.

[Fused]

I talked to him about it a few days ago and he doesn't really give a crap if he's unbanned anyway. The only reason he perhaps would ever use the forums again is when he releases a new mod.

[Samurai]

Well if a man such as this thats obviously made a very good mod for the doom community is going to be hateful im seeing a conflict here for me (Windows has encountered a problem and must now restart) Id definately say go with a ban if its anything way to NSFW but other wise if its just a simple trash talk i dont see where this is going. basically saying hes going to do the same thing over again just because of his past man thats pretty low honestly thats like running up to a 10 year coke addict that just walked out a 6 month rehab visit and punching him then yelling your gonna get addicted again for sure!

Please use full stops, reading that is painful.

[Neo]

Well if a man such as this thats obviously made a very good mod for the doom community is going to be hateful im seeing a conflict here for me (Windows has encountered a problem and must now restart) Id definately say go with a ban if its anything way to NSFW but other wise if its just a simple trash talk i dont see where this is going. basically saying hes going to do the same thing over again just because of his past man thats pretty low honestly thats like running up to a 10 year coke addict that just walked out a 6 month rehab visit and punching him then yelling your gonna get addicted again for sure!

Please use full stops, reading that is painful.

Im afraid that my grammer is dumb please dont not ask me to correct something i know not of sir

[Shane]

NO! we CANNOT allow this to happen! Ban Sgt. Mark again, these forums are a SACRED place of worship!! He's committed crimes deemed horrid to humankind, curse his forum account, belittle his offspring, plague his crops and burn his home!!! Punishment worthy from the highest power is needed to teach the sinner a lesson!!!!

[StrikerMan780]

Im afraid that my grammer is dumb please dont not ask me to correct something i know not of sir

Then learn. It's not hard whatsoever. Pay attention in school, or if you're older, go to college and take English/Communications classes. Hell, there's even online tutorials. Trust me, it'll improve your quality of life should you improve your English grammatical skills.

If you don't, nobody will ever take you seriously... Bad grammar and poor sentence structure is the online equivalent of someone baby/mock-talking broken English.

[ibm5155]

Google translator is your friend, it may not be the best, but at least it'll fix many gramar mistakes

[Cruduxy]

No, Google translator is a lazy workaround and you should never rely on it.

[Empyre]

It also makes a mess of grammar. At least it will get the spelling correct, like the two "m"s in grammar.

Keep in mind that his English is probably much better than your whatever-his-native-language-is. On the other hand, don't other languages also have a period at the end of a sentence and a capital letter at the beginning? Just doing that would help a lot.

[Slim]

Google translator is your friend, it may not be the best, but at least it'll fix many gramar mistakes

"This is the translation that Google has been translated"

"Google is my friend , always accurately translate the 100% ."

It's basic and that's about it.

[Fused]

Riiiight, I don't think this thread is really used for its actual purpose anymore, but more as a thread to help somebody's English. But hey, we already have a thread for that. I guess this can be trashed now, since the actual topic was fixed a long time ago anyway.

http://zandronum.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4244