GvH fair and balanced

[Ru5tK1ng]

I haven't played GvH more than a few times (less than 4). Regardless, I was wondering what the vets of GvH would consider the most balanced incarnation of the mod. What was the peak before the mod started going into the sewers? What went wrong? Also, if you were caught sprite swapping back in the day, you can go swap to another topic.

[Mobius]

Cold Demise was the absolute best release and I had the privilege of being the tester for it. The updates to fix the maps and some of the classes really improved the gameplay. Everything else has been shit or a huge disappointment particularly with music or map structures. The classes were just a mess of memes.

[Marcaek]

GvH was bloated with just 5 classes each let alone eight? Engineer was just a lame way to salvage Santa and frostbite is the least interesting ghoul.

[Razgriz]

Frostbite is op against camping marines Jmagenet showed us this a few times

[Marcaek]

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[Combinebobnt]

GvH was bloated with just 5 classes each let alone eight? Engineer was just a lame way to salvage Santa and frostbite is the least interesting ghoul.

And this is why GW2 will never be respected and your FNf game suck. Engineer and Frostbite were decent addons compared to hexen ripoff, Halloween mask screamers, and doom marine.

Just make sure next time u focus on attacking his ideas and not his identity. Thanks you

[Slyfox]

GvH was bloated with just 5 classes each let alone eight? Engineer was just a lame way to salvage Santa and frostbite is the least interesting ghoul.

And this is why GW2 will never be respected and your FNf game suck. Engineer and Frostbite were decent addons compared to hexen ripoff, Halloween mask screamers, and doom marine.

Just make sure next time u focus on attacking his ideas and not his identity. Thanks you

Its a good thing he attacked both

I agree with mobius mainly because Cold demise was the GvH version that held my interest for the longest since playing on and off with the mod in the beginning of endless war.

[Konda]

Eh, frostbite is a decent class and a good anti-camp measure, but then you have engineer and santa which are the definition of camp & spam imo. I think gvh already had enough spam with cyborg and ghostbuster. It's been a long time since I've played the older gvh versions but I'll pick endless war. I'd probably pick LoD but it has its issues.

Most of the listed gvh versions have their own versions of the base classes. A mix of different classes from different versions would be ideal. I'd pick LoD's sjas (because of smaller speed and the barely useful, but better than nothing teleporter item), LoD's frostbite (it has the ice ball weapon too), LoD's creeper (it has a stun ball limit so you can't shoot, hide if you miss and recharge balls forever; a common strategy of very annoying gvh players; also it has the useful heal ball), LoD's choke (mainly because of the extra weapon mechanics like vomit and that special attack with 100 vomit points), whichever version has the most fair jitterskull (certainly not LoD), base gvh marine with LoD's grenade ammo mechanics, pretty much any version's ghostbuster, whichever version doesn't allow cyborg's jetpack spam ad infinitum, no engineer or santa, base gvh hunter (slow lightning arrow weapon speed and no silly bow upgrades). I'd also throw in LoD's impaler and planeswalker in the mix since they seem like pretty decent classes. Oh yeah, and no mage classes pls thx.

Anyway, you can obviously tell which gvh version is my favorite but I think LoD did a lot of cool things. Unfortunately it also managed to fuck up the balance in some areas too.

Note: when I mention base gvh I am referring to the late v2 or early v3 versions - basically, before Carthief started butchering the mod.

[Marcaek]

I think Cartheif came in for v3b4 or 5

A ton of shitty maps came in around then too

[Catastrophe]

There's a pretty big difference between balanced and fun. For me the most fun was LoD, pre-addons. But the most balanced is cold demise.

[fr blood]

Well I can't tell about balance, each guy got his own definition of this word, but the most funny was for sure Nordic Saga when I remember the 16 vs 16 in the small Duke Nukem map I can't stop laughing.

[Ivan]

Uh oh rip megaman time for gvh? Next up jumpmaze?

[ARGENTVM]

Uh oh rip megaman time for gvh? Next up jumpmaze?

No, Ral's already doing Jumpmaze rofl maybe DND aka Dial-up and Dwangos?

[Cutman]

I haven't really kept up with what form GVH has taken recently, I don't know much about it anymore (other than class sounds being replaced with LoL voice clips). I'm sorry so many people felt Carthief butchered it but I had to give it to someone and he's the only one who really wanted to take it off my hands. I saw a lot of people playing in the GVH FNF for Halloween and was surprised to see some of the changes made (Hunter with no railgun??).

If it's something people want back badly maybe it would be worth making a "GVH Classic". Basically make it the same as Cold Demise (keep Santa as the Engineer), clean up my awful code, remove random damage, make some balance changes that people are mostly positive towards from the newer GVH expansions and gut all the maps no one likes (there's a lot of them). Maybe throw in some bonuses like the option to turn on LMS stall prevention and add some modern Zandronum features that didn't exist back then. Not sure how popular it would be (I thought everyone would be sick of it by now) but at least it would exist for when people feel like playing it again.

[Mobius]

I haven't really kept up with what form GVH has taken recently, I don't know much about it anymore (other than class sounds being replaced with LoL voice clips). I'm sorry so many people felt Carthief butchered it but I had to give it to someone and he's the only one who really wanted to take it off my hands. I saw a lot of people playing in the GVH FNF for Halloween and was surprised to see some of the changes made (Hunter with no railgun??).

We had a 32 client GVH yesterday using 2b9 cold demise under my recommendation. Also no one likes the non-railgun lightning.

If it's something people want back badly maybe it would be worth making a "GVH Classic". Basically make it the same as Cold Demise (keep Santa as the Engineer), clean up my awful code, remove random damage, make some balance changes that people are mostly positive towards from the newer GVH expansions and gut all the maps no one likes (there's a lot of them).

I'd advise not touching the maps for the sake of nostalgia and workload (at least not work on it right away). It's better if the maps remain in the wad as intended (all 31 of them if I am not mistaken) and let the host determine which maps will be played using maplist. Focusing on the actual core wad is much more important and far less time consuming for you. I am for new maps and know exactly which wads you may borrow some from that you could easily use when necessary.

Maybe throw in some bonuses like the option to turn on LMS stall prevention and add some modern Zandronum features that didn't exist back then. Not sure how popular it would be (I thought everyone would be sick of it by now) but at least it would exist for when people feel like playing it again.

I am fully against this idea for GVH as certain classes were intended with health disparities compared to others might prove to be an overwhelming disadvantage for say creepers. The spirit of an intense and long game shouldn't be rushed and I don't believe anyone had a problem with it last night (Rust and I spent more than 8 minutes actively trying to kill each other).

[Ivan]

Maybe throw in some bonuses like the option to turn on LMS stall prevention and add some modern Zandronum features that didn't exist back then. Not sure how popular it would be (I thought everyone would be sick of it by now) but at least it would exist for when people feel like playing it again.

I am fully against this idea for GVH as certain classes were intended with health disparities compared to others might prove to be an overwhelming disadvantage for say creepers. The spirit of an intense and long game shouldn't be rushed and I don't believe anyone had a problem with it last night (Rust and I spent more than 8 minutes actively trying to kill each other).

That can be solved by constantly taking a % of the player's maximum health away rather than a constant value.

[Ænima]

whoever voted for multiverse is getting banned

[Mobius]

Maybe throw in some bonuses like the option to turn on LMS stall prevention and add some modern Zandronum features that didn't exist back then. Not sure how popular it would be (I thought everyone would be sick of it by now) but at least it would exist for when people feel like playing it again.

I am fully against this idea for GVH as certain classes were intended with health disparities compared to others might prove to be an overwhelming disadvantage for say creepers. The spirit of an intense and long game shouldn't be rushed and I don't believe anyone had a problem with it last night (Rust and I spent more than 8 minutes actively trying to kill each other).

That can be solved by constantly taking a % of the player's maximum health away rather than a constant value.

It isn't an issue to be solved.

[Combinebobnt]

uh if u ever dont want to wait for an epic final 1v1 tlms then don't die next time thanks

[r4z0r]

Maybe throw in some bonuses like the option to turn on LMS stall prevention and add some modern Zandronum features that didn't exist back then. Not sure how popular it would be (I thought everyone would be sick of it by now) but at least it would exist for when people feel like playing it again.

I am fully against this idea for GVH as certain classes were intended with health disparities compared to others might prove to be an overwhelming disadvantage for say creepers. The spirit of an intense and long game shouldn't be rushed and I don't believe anyone had a problem with it last night (Rust and I spent more than 8 minutes actively trying to kill each other).

That can be solved by constantly taking a % of the player's maximum health away rather than a constant value.

Wait what? What do you mean by "taking a % of the players maximum health away"? Do you mean to say, for example, take 5 health points away from every alive person every 2 minutes that the game lasts? I'm just not understanding your concept.