Probably missing the ball park here, but why when you can force only certain versions of clients to join servers are modified ones allowed to join? Could there not be a whitelisted client list that allows only certain approved clients to join?Dusk wrote:Zandronum is open source. A cheat does not have to scan any memory or hex edit anything. You just edit the code and make a cheat build. And thus we also cannot obfuscate it, or prevent cheats from being made in any way. The only anti-cheat is the community. This was a drawback that was accepted when the project went open source in the first place, as hacks cannot be stopped anyway.Ænima wrote:How much memory has to be scanned to find this information and is there a way for the developers to obfuscate it or make its location dynamic?
I don't have the time or skill to review the demos myself, but I'd say that if capo's demos lack puffs it sounds somewhat suspicious. The client is, by default, responsible for rendering puffs. Therefore if there aren't any puffs at all, it is indicative of a modified client.
I think he has a point. From my understanding, most cheats for Skulltag were made just for the hell of it. With Zandronum being open source, there's no "hell" anymore in that. I guess that's why there aren't much public cheats around and this crap is being spread in private.Decay wrote:I think there are more cheaters than you might realize but just have not been caught. In any case, thanks for your... insightful and useful... post.ZZYZX wrote:Even ZDaemon with all it's closed source is easy to make a hack for. Just saying. Although, in case of ZDaemon, they really seem to be obsessed with obfuscation of master server protocol which looks like horrible mess in the disassembly, yet do nothing to prevent the hacks, even though they don't need to pull any code from ZDoom and as such can introduce the required drastic changes to their code...
Either way, apparently with the client becoming opensource there are LESS hackers now, most likely because now coding hacks isn't of any interest, as anyone with VS2005 can do it.
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There's no way whatsoever to detect whether a client is modified or not. The version check is there to protect against user error.one_Two wrote:Probably missing the ball park here, but why when you can force only certain versions of clients to join servers are modified ones allowed to join? Could there not be a whitelisted client list that allows only certain approved clients to join?
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You can't do like a checksum on the client?Dusk wrote:There's no way whatsoever to detect whether a client is modified or not. The version check is there to protect against user error.one_Two wrote:Probably missing the ball park here, but why when you can force only certain versions of clients to join servers are modified ones allowed to join? Could there not be a whitelisted client list that allows only certain approved clients to join?
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A customized build could just skip the checksum and pass an official value (it depends on the platform, too!), which can't be hidden.
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You can't do anything on the client. All you can do is ask for information and trust that it's correct. Which wouldn't make sense, because the client could just lie about it like nobody's business.one_Two wrote:You can't do like a checksum on the client?
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I know this issue is dead and there's no point in discussing it, but I found this quite funny:
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ROFL
Capo must have been the product of some Soviet Experiment where they either tested different drugs' effects on the human brain or they decided to fly his brain on a rocket into deep space. Maybe it was an experiment to test the extent of human stupidity and how far it can go before you can't call something human. Either way, he's quite an abortion of the iron curtain and his generation.
Capo must have been the product of some Soviet Experiment where they either tested different drugs' effects on the human brain or they decided to fly his brain on a rocket into deep space. Maybe it was an experiment to test the extent of human stupidity and how far it can go before you can't call something human. Either way, he's quite an abortion of the iron curtain and his generation.
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18:49 <SwiftShot> Jarin_cz did you cheat in doom4?
18:52 <Jarin_cz> lol wtf
18:53 <SwiftShot> https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7407&p=98105#p98105
18:54 <Jarin_cz> ye but what has this do with me?
18:54 <Jarin_cz> i am jarin_cz, capodecima is my brother
18:54 <SwiftShot> rofl
18:54 <Jarin_cz> i have no idea if he still play or something heh
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to be honest it doesn't matter if capo was cheating in doom 4 or not
I had 3 games consecutive with atleast 1 cheater on either my team or theirs, the entire cheating scene on doom 4 has gone surprisingly out of hand for a game that recently came out. Seeing capo cheating on there just adds to the already almost dead *real* competitive scene of doom 4.
btw still not salty about the cheaters of doom 4
I had 3 games consecutive with atleast 1 cheater on either my team or theirs, the entire cheating scene on doom 4 has gone surprisingly out of hand for a game that recently came out. Seeing capo cheating on there just adds to the already almost dead *real* competitive scene of doom 4.
btw still not salty about the cheaters of doom 4
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18:49 <SwiftShot> Jarin_cz did you cheat in doom4? 18:52 <Jarin_cz> lol wtf 18:53 <SwiftShot> https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7407&p=98105#p98105 18:54 <Jarin_cz> ye but what has this do with me? 18:54 <Jarin_cz> i am jarin_cz, capodecima is my brother 18:54 <SwiftShot> rofl 18:54 <Jarin_cz> i have no idea if he still play or something heh
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Doom 4 kinda had it coming. Apparently you can use cheat engine in multiplayer. There are no checks for doom 4 to prevent that. May as well be COD
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You mean dead competitive scene in all Doom? Pretty indicative.Shane wrote:Seeing capo cheating on there just adds to the already almost dead *real* competitive scene of doom 4.
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I know I'm late to the party, but good riddance. Capo was always an irritating shit when playing him. Often an unwarranted braggart, and also had a huge habit of rage-quitting at the drop of a hat. (I've had a little fun with this in the past, getting my buddies to gang up on him in FFA, hilarity and a rage-quit ensued.)
Anyhow, just because Zandronum is open-source, doesn't mean the devs can't do anything to at least detect certain suspicious behavior patterns server-side. (As long as a server is running an official release, there's little a client could do to circumvent it). Such as keeping track of the percentage of time they're on target when there's no possible line of sight and detecting if the client has been tampering with old movement commands.
Anyhow, just because Zandronum is open-source, doesn't mean the devs can't do anything to at least detect certain suspicious behavior patterns server-side. (As long as a server is running an official release, there's little a client could do to circumvent it). Such as keeping track of the percentage of time they're on target when there's no possible line of sight and detecting if the client has been tampering with old movement commands.
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It would have been wise to read the thread.
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Missed a few posts on the 2nd page, admittedly I scrolled through that pretty quickly. Sorry. My opinion of the guy still stands however.
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We lost a fair gal. May he cheat in singleplayer [']