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Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:18 am
by Cerebus
Don't you just hate it when you get lost on large maps (i.e. Doom 2 map29), just going in circles for long periods of time before finally figuring out how to proceed?
PS This might be the wrong forum category for something like this, so let me know just in case. :)
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:24 am
by Ænima
unioncit.wad. a classic. one of my all-time-favorite "huge" maps. that and Zalewa's "Tribute".
i never really have a problem with "blind-alleys". If I do, i usually just NEXTMAP after 5 or so straight minutes of running around in circles.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:36 am
by Cyber'
Depends on the map. Alien Vendetta's map 20 (the pyramid) is a prime example of one of my favorite "huge" maps.
Sadly I know that map like the back of my hand, and in all other cases, TAB is your friend.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:02 am
by Medicris
How do you get lost on MAP29, that's like nothing but a linear path aside from the wall crack you're supposed to drop down into
It's literally just a giant circle
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:19 am
by Llewellyn
Strife.
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RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:41 am
by Qent
I do indeed. A rotating automap overlay can sometimes help, but sometimes not.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:43 am
by Ijon Tichy
you know how the automap would help more?
if it were textured
yes i went there
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:52 am
by Cerebus
Medicris wrote:
How do you get lost on MAP29, that's like nothing but a linear path aside from the wall crack you're supposed to drop down into
It's literally just a giant circle
I know, but this was about a year or two ago (before I even began to grasp how widespread the Doom community was) and I used MAP29 as a example because at the time I played this map, I was playing the Xbox 360 port of Doom 2 and since you couldn't look up or down, it was very easy to get lost once you ran out of enemies to shoot at. Plus, I was at such high elevations that when I headed in a downward direction, you couldn't see what was below you. I was basically guessing where I was stepping. My skills have significantly improved since then (used to barely get by on "I'm to young to die", now at about high-end "Hurt Me Plenty!" to a low-end "Ultra Violence", somewhere around there)
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:02 am
by Laggy Blazko
Yeah, getting lost is annoying, but I use the automap and mark spots (good thing I remembered about that old doom feature) a lot.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:13 am
by Ænima
Ijon Tichy wrote:
you know how the automap would help more?
if it were textured
yes i went there
Yeah that would be nice, except Randy no'd it on several occasions over at ZDoom. I forgot why, exactly. Something about not being compatible with pre-UDMF sector boundaries.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:08 am
by BURZUM
Cyber wrote:
Depends on the map. Alien Vendetta's map 20 (the pyramid) is a prime example of one of my favorite "huge" maps.
Sadly I know that map like the back of my hand, and in all other cases, TAB is your friend.
...that map also was my first idea. And every time I play it again I get lost.
Especially when I smoked something or drank a beer...IMPOSSIBLE :D
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:17 am
by Catastrophe
Oh man, sunder does that... ALOT
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:09 pm
by Llewellyn
Ænima wrote:Yeah that would be nice, except Randy no'd it on several occasions over at ZDoom. I forgot why, exactly. Something about not being compatible with pre-UDMF sector boundaries.
*GL-Nodes.
Try ZDoom with
and
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RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:12 pm
by FLYBAT
I never got lost in Doom II.
First and single time I lost on any Doom map was in E3M5. I really didn't know where the fuck I'm supposed to go.
Then was Heretic, pretty cool level design but I didn't get lost.
Then Hexen...
Shit I'm still trying to figure out what to do. Anyone help?
I'm now on Seven Portals nd I have no idea how to open the damn door.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:58 pm
by Cerebus
Catastrophe wrote:
Oh man, sunder does that... ALOT
I have Sunder... HOW... do you survive on any difficulty when you start out in front of 2 Revenants, 2 Hell Knights and an Archvile with only a shotgun or without using cheats?!
Ænima wrote:
unioncit.wad. a classic. one of my all-time-favorite "huge" maps. that and Zalewa's "Tribute".
i never really have a problem with "blind-alleys". If I do, i usually just NEXTMAP after 5 or so straight minutes of running around in circles.
Perhaps you can send me links to these WADs so I can get an idea on what you mean.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:59 pm
by Llewellyn
FLYBAT wrote:
Shit I'm still trying to figure out what to do. Anyone help?
I'm now on Seven Portals nd I have no idea how to open the damn door.
I suggest Googling for Hexen Walkthroughs.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:34 pm
by Catastrophe
Cerebus wrote:
Catastrophe wrote:
Oh man, sunder does that... ALOT
I have Sunder... HOW... do you survive on any difficulty when you start out in front of 2 Revenants, 2 Hell Knights and an Archvile with only a shotgun or without using cheats?!
I see you have not played map11 yet, lolol
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:10 am
by mr fiat
hexen.
RE: Getting lost on large Doom maps
Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:32 pm
by phantasma12
I barely get lost on my second time of playing maps.
The one map that I almost gave up on was "Happy Time Circus 2" for there was so much exploration.