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<Dusk>http://sickedwick.net/wads/omegaduel_data_r151.zip
* Disguise shrugs
<Disguise>make it a part of zandronum
<Dusk>hmm
<ViciousPariah>zandroduel
<Dusk>take the good ones, rebrand em with spacedm textures and make them stock? :o
<Dusk>i think that'd rock
<Disguise>Yeah

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[20:27]  <esselfortium> the textures themselves aren't really what make it work, it's much more in the ways they're used. lots of composites and edits for specific maps, etc.
[20:27]  <Disguise> I see, any ideas?
[20:28]  <esselfortium> what i mean is that you could just as well take resources from doom.wad or skulltag.wad or whatever else as a base, do the same sorts of compositing and editing as needed for the map's structures, and that'd be more in line with how dm9's stuff was produced
[20:28]  <esselfortium> well...
[20:28]  <esselfortium> with the dm9 maps we started out with completely rough, ugly-ass layouts, temp-textured with something like bigbrik or startan and with basically zero thought given to texturing or alignment (other than obvious stuff like knowing that certain sizes and heights would be easier to work with later),
[20:29]  <esselfortium> and revised and revised them, moving walls and structures around and changing paths until they could be run around really smoothly without bumping into anything and without much risk of the map getting too concentrated on just one hot spot or single path or something like that
[20:31]  <esselfortium> then we'd get a basic idea of what we wanted the map to look like, and would either create new textures for it or edit existing ones. the basic themes of both the maps i used custom textures for (air snares and shogouki) were both built around textures that already existed, some of which are mine and others which were just freely usable by other artists.
[20:32]  <Disguise> That's really interesting :o
[20:33]  <esselfortium> in air snares i wanted to try something with a lot of that orangey tan color, and decided on gray stone to go along with it, so i took some textures i had already done (a from-scratch brown1 clone for the orange, and a doom edit for the stone) and put together a couple of composites to start out with, the idea being that i could make the map look more structurally detailed in areas where i couldn't actually use a lot of structu
[20:33]  <esselfortium> ral detail, by using composited-together textures that would have a section of orange, with a smaller section of gray below it, then a warning stripe, then etc etc
[20:34]  <esselfortium> so after i imported the basic textures into the wad, i made a couple of those composites of them with various arrangements, for each of them trying to mix together some larger-height beams with smaller ones so that i'd be able to fit them to different heights and sizes without just having to cover the map in big continuous walls of boring 16-tall beams
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[20:35]  <esselfortium> then of course there were the specific-use things like the skewed textures for the sides of slopes, which were a really important part of it for that map because it'd look like crap with the lines of the slopes fighting against the lines of the textures on them
[20:36]  <esselfortium> but yeah, in general really, the starting point of texturing/detailing a spacedm9 map is to pick some new textures, not just ones from an already existing dm9 level :p
[20:37]  <ViciousPariah> whoa
[20:38]  <esselfortium> for mine i pulled some textures from things i had made for vaporware, tsozd, and saturn x, but they don't need to be from a certain place. it's really more about the ways they're used.