Long term goals.

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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by StrikerMan780 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:32 pm

For that, I guess the only thing we can hope for is that the 3D Floor rendering becomes faster/more optimized in the future... (Or, a polygonal software renderer similar to Unreal 1/Quake/Vavoom's is adopted...)
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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by Ivan » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:45 pm

Torr Samaho wrote: Unfortunately that is the price one has to pay for added visuals that are not for purely cosmetic reasons. And even if you could turn them off, some maps would be pretty much unplayable if the 3D floors are invisible.
You can let the server decide it with a compatflag or something, though, like "allow software users to disable 3d floors".
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Post by Torr Samaho » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:47 pm

Ivan wrote: You can let the server decide it with a compatflag or something, though, like "allow software users to disable 3d floors".
So that the server admin could allow players to disable 3D floors where disabling them doesn't give a competitive advantage? That could work. Does ZDoom already allow to disable them or is this only possible in kgsws' special build?

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Post by Ivan » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:53 pm

I have no idea sadly, I tried neither to be honest, I was just throwing ideas. I hope someone can confirm it though.
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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by Ermac » Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:55 pm

Prehaps improved software doom engine. Comparing to ZDaemon engine which lacks of colors (no cyan, no green, no blue, no magenta and it's all reddish overall).

1. I would like option to draw sprite edges smoother or something scalex like (for Software renderer).

2. Console has intelisense like counter-strike console has or modern developing enviroments. You start typing some command and console suggests you what you can write. You don't have to memorize difficult commands. I start typing crosshair in console and it list me:
crosshair (int)
crosshaircolor (hextripletcolor)
crosshairscale (bool)
crosshairhealth (bool)
I would like that actually the types of arguments be included in intelisense.
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Post by werewindle » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:44 pm

Ermac wrote: 2. Console has intelisense like counter-strike console has or modern developing enviroments. You start typing some command and console suggests you what you can write. You don't have to memorize difficult commands. I start typing crosshair in console and it list me:
crosshair (int)
crosshaircolor (hextripletcolor)
crosshairscale (bool)
crosshairhealth (bool)
I would like that actually the types of arguments be included in intelisense.
well, you can circle through autocomplete suggestions by pressing TAB. you get to know variable types by executing them without values. distinguishing bools and ints is questionable, because bools often become ints as development continues. :)

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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by mistamontiel » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:17 am

Get this server host to wise up.. :

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He's the only server running the latest build of Z, and can't even get the Gametype right.. falsely advertising :rolleyes:
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Post by ZzZombo » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:58 pm

What about implementing Pawn based scripts for mods as it appears to be more advanced and flexible scripting language than ACS? Links: http://www.compuphase.com/pawn/pawn.htm and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawn_(scripting_language). I used it to make some plugins to Source engine based games and found it much better than ACS just[spoiler]BECAUSE IT HAS REAL STRINGS![/spoiler]

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Post by Qent » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:32 pm

Why not just use Lua?

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Post by ZzZombo » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:45 pm

[spoiler]IDK Lua so STFU :P[/spoiler]

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Post by Qent » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:00 pm

Haha. Well as far as I can tell, Lua is more mainstream than Pawn. It's the scripting language used for UFO2000 and FreeSpace Open.

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Post by Torr Samaho » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:00 pm

The is a typical "should be implemented in ZDoom first" issue.

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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by TerminusEst13 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:12 pm

For the ACS GameType check to support capture the flag/team deathmatch/etc as well, rather than just co-op/SP or DM.

Like, seriously. Would make my life infinitely easier.
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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by Torr Samaho » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:24 pm

Feel free to request such an ACS function. It should be simple to add and I'm recently in the mood to add ACS stuff ;).

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Post by Llewellyn » Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:28 pm

Qent wrote: Haha. Well as far as I can tell, Lua is more mainstream than Pawn. It's the scripting language used for UFO2000 and FreeSpace Open.
I like that the engine uses LUA, just because it's very forgiving and uses an easy-to-understand syntax, which makes modding easy for non-advanced users.
When you get into more complicated scripting like LUA, mods end up like they are in GMod, where the good code is kept locked up (you don't hardly see any example mods or code or tutorials beyond basic levels because people don't want competition) and every mod not written by an experienced coder is so horribly bugged or poorly written as to be laggy.
Fortunately the first issue would probably be resolved in that the clients download server code here.
I find it so disgusting that people sell gamemodes in GMod for hundreds of dollars...
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Post by Drayko » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:45 pm

Web based server list and remote administration.

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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by Monsoon » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:57 pm

mega bump because well... i wanna know whats going on with the zdoom compatibility instead of 1000 or so its gotten to around 2500...

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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by Drayko » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:06 am

Ok guys it's been over a year and half. We need to access if we accomplished the list. Time to start thinking about the big changes of 2014 and projecting to 2015 and onward to at least 2020.

[spoiler]By the way does anyone know how to make Doomseeker use doom2.wad (actually being FreeDoom) as the default IWAD for Odamex?[/spoiler]

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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by StrikerMan780 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:13 am

Llewellyn wrote:
Qent wrote: Haha. Well as far as I can tell, Lua is more mainstream than Pawn. It's the scripting language used for UFO2000 and FreeSpace Open.
I like that the engine uses LUA, just because it's very forgiving and uses an easy-to-understand syntax, which makes modding easy for non-advanced users.
When you get into more complicated scripting like LUA, mods end up like they are in GMod, where the good code is kept locked up (you don't hardly see any example mods or code or tutorials beyond basic levels because people don't want competition) and every mod not written by an experienced coder is so horribly bugged or poorly written as to be laggy.
Fortunately the first issue would probably be resolved in that the clients download server code here.
I find it so disgusting that people sell gamemodes in GMod for hundreds of dollars...
I actually never really liked LUA simply because I find it's syntax a hideous mess. I've had a lot of experience with Pawn (Thanks to SourceMod.), and I can vouch for it's ease of use, cleanliness and power. If ZDoom/Zandro or whatever gets Pawn Support, modeling it after how SourceMod uses it, would be the best route IMHO. I just find it very intuitive.
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RE: Long term goals.

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Post by Drayko » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:02 pm

Here's a goal I think is worth pursuing:

An open source all-in-one package that includes Zan, Doomseeker, Freedoom, and the appropriate fmod.
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