WDL2015 vs IDL2014 on FUNCRUSHER?

[AlexMax]

So the WDL now has a 2015 mapset. I've generally tried to use the latest 'competitive' mapset release from the IDL on FUNCRUSHER, however with the hiatus of the IDL it remains to be seen if we will see an updated maplist from the IDL, or when it will be released. However, there is also an argument to be made that the IDL2014 mapset has not seen enough play.

So which map should FUNCRUSHER host?

Download IDL2014

map MAP01 "Fortress Collision - ZDCTF01"
map MAP02 "And Hell Captured - VELOCTF03"
map MAP03 "Exophase - ZDCTF03"
map MAP04 "R's...Magical Ice Forts - ZDCTF04"
map MAP05 "Data Core Delta - CHAOSCORE01"
map MAP06 "Lazarus Revisited - SMARTCTF01"
map MAP07 "Obsidian Outpost - CORECTF09"
map MAP08 "Something Epic - ZDCTF08"
map MAP09 "Frozen - ZDCTF09"
map MAP10 "Confrontation - IDLCONT11-21"
map MAP11 "Tribute - 4CTFEPIC-11"
map MAP12 "N's...Manse of Destruct. - THIRTY4-16"
map MAP13 "A's...Base of Boppin' - THIRTY4-13"
map MAP14 "Generic Gray - THIRTY4-09"
map MAP15 "Sewers Smell Bad - ZDCTF15"
map MAP16 "Return To Phobos - ZDCTF16"
map MAP17 "Buntaluffigus - THIRTY4-17"
map MAP18 "Battle of Snake Canyon - THIRTY12-06"
map MAP19 "Collision - IDLCONT11-20"
map MAP20 "Cold Sweats - ZDECTF2-01"
map MAP21 "Scary Flaggers/Nice Sprites - THIRTY12-11"
map MAP22 "Gargantuan Retarded - THIRTY7-22"
map MAP23 "Circuit Course - CORECTF29"
map MAP24 "Sanctum - RAGECTF20"
map MAP25 "Infection - RAGECTF-21"
map MAP26 "Status: Idle - ZDCTF26"
map MAP27 "Angry Face - BPCTF26"
map MAP28 "Isolation - CHAOSCORE11"
map MAP29 "Toxic Refineries - ZDECTF2-19"
map MAP30 "Redemption II - ZDU30"
map MAP31 "Mountain Zero - THIRTY4-31"
map MAP32 "Collision II - CORECTF99"
map ZDCTF07 "The Excavation"
map M01 "MasterBowl I - ZDCTF19"
map M02 "MasterBowl III - ZDCTF27"
map M03 "MasterBowl IV - ODACTF02"
map P01 "Refineries - ZDCTF02"
map P02 "The Old Caslte - ZDCTF18"
map P03 "Industrial N Mining - IDLCONT11-06"

Download WDL2015

map MAP01 "Fortress Collision - ZDCTF01"
map MAP02 "Refineries - ZDCTF02"
map MAP03 "Exophase - ZDCTF03"
map MAP04 "R's...Magical Ice Forts - ZDCTF04"
map MAP05 "Data Core Delta - CHAOSCORE01"
map MAP06 "Lazarus Revisited - SMARTCTF01"
map MAP07 "The Excavation - ZDCTF07"
map MAP08 "Something Epic - ZDCTF08"
map MAP09 "Something Epic II - ODACTF02"
map MAP10 "This Aggression... - THIRTY12-01"
map MAP11 "Train Station - FWCTF01"
map MAP12 "N's...Manse of Destruct. - THIRTY4-16"
map MAP13 "Mudman Wonderland - THIRTY12-28"
map MAP14 "Generic Gray - THIRTY4-09"
map MAP15 "A Highly Advanced CTF Map - THIRTY4-08"
map MAP16 "Return To Phobos - ZDCTF16"
map MAP17 "Buntaluffigus - THIRTY4-17"
map MAP18 "The Old Castle - ZDCTF18"
map MAP19 "Collision - IDLCONT11-20"
map MAP20 "Cold Sweats - ZDECTF2-01"
map MAP21 "Charon Orbit - VELOCTF31"
map MAP22 "Gargantuan Retarded - THIRTY7-22"
map MAP23 "Mercurial - RAGECTF10"
map MAP24 "Sanctum - RAGECTF20"
map MAP25 "Forgotten Forest - WDL2015-25"
map MAP26 "Status: Idle - ZDCTF26"
map MAP27 "Angry Face - BPCTF26"
map MAP28 "Isolation - CHAOSCORE11"
map MAP29 "Toxic Refineries - ZDECTF2-19"
map MAP30 "Redemption II - ZDU30"
map MAP31 "Mountain Zero - THIRTY4-31"
map MAP32 "Insane Gunslinger Compound - THIRTY7-27"

A "changelog" between IDL2014 and WDL2015:

REMOVE
- map MAP02 "And Hell Captured - VELOCTF03"
- map MAP07 "Obsidian Outpost - CORECTF09"
- map MAP09 "Frozen - ZDCTF09"
- map MAP10 "Confrontation - IDLCONT11-21"
- map MAP11 "Tribute - 4CTFEPIC-11"
- map MAP13 "A's...Base of Boppin' - THIRTY4-13"
- map MAP15 "Sewers Smell Bad - ZDCTF15"
- map MAP18 "Battle of Snake Canyon - THIRTY12-06"
- map MAP21 "Scary Flaggers/Nice Sprites - THIRTY12-11"
- map MAP23 "Circuit Course - CORECTF29"
- map MAP25 "Infection - RAGECTF-21"
- map MAP32 "Collision II - CORECTF99"
- map M01 "MasterBowl I - ZDCTF19"
- map M02 "MasterBowl III - ZDCTF27"
- map P03 "Industrial N Mining - IDLCONT11-06"

ADD
+ map MAP10 "This Aggression... - THIRTY12-01"
+ map MAP11 "Train Station - FWCTF01"
+ map MAP13 "Mudman Wonderland - THIRTY12-28"
+ map MAP15 "A Highly Advanced CTF Map - THIRTY4-08"
+ map MAP21 "Charon Orbit - VELOCTF31"
+ map MAP23 "Mercurial - RAGECTF10"
+ map MAP25 "Forgotten Forest - WDL2015-25"
+ map MAP32 "Insane Gunslinger Compound - THIRTY7-27"

I am of two minds. On one hand, there are a number of maps that were long overdue to be taken out that are finally out. On another hand, there are some maps that you could argue were decent maps being taken out, and some of the new maps I...just don't get at all. I could also just throw my hands up in the air and do a long-overdue CTF32, but that means more work for me.

[Zakken]

About the WDL2015 wad, I'd like to inform everybody that the map25 spot is still up for debate at the moment, and will most definitely find a much better replacement. There is an ongoing public poll about it, which may be found here. Please keep this in mind before voting.

[Kara Kurt]

CTF32... depends of the maps actually.

But I'd go for WDL15.

[Combinebobnt]

oh yea wdl2015 can't wait to play glorious maps like this!!!:

[Ru5tK1ng]

The inclusion of FWCTF should be an automatic disqualification, honestly. I would vote for a CTF32, but I know you won't finish it so I'll offer to create a 2015 update that will feature a finalized Sanctum, some bug fixes, and a couple of CC maps that are 100% finished. Of course, if the votes favor a CTF32 then I suppose you should go for it. However, be warned that putting one together from scratch will be far more painful than duel32 in every way possible.

[Kara Kurt]

oh yea wdl2015 can't wait to play glorious maps like this!!!:

Not sure if this map is actually listed here:

REMOVE
- map MAP02 "And Hell Captured - VELOCTF03"
- map MAP07 "Obsidian Outpost - CORECTF09"
- map MAP09 "Frozen - ZDCTF09"
- map MAP10 "Confrontation - IDLCONT11-21"
- map MAP11 "Tribute - 4CTFEPIC-11"
- map MAP13 "A's...Base of Boppin' - THIRTY4-13"
- map MAP15 "Sewers Smell Bad - ZDCTF15"
- map MAP18 "Battle of Snake Canyon - THIRTY12-06"
- map MAP21 "Scary Flaggers/Nice Sprites - THIRTY12-11"
- map MAP23 "Circuit Course - CORECTF29"
- map MAP25 "Infection - RAGECTF-21"
- map MAP32 "Collision II - CORECTF99"
- map M01 "MasterBowl I - ZDCTF19"
- map M02 "MasterBowl III - ZDCTF27"
- map P03 "Industrial N Mining - IDLCONT11-06"

[AlexMax]

I actually thought that some of the additions that the WDL wad made were kind of interesting (Velocity, Rage, the 32in24 map that wasn't a square box). It also got rid of some maps that were long-overdue for getting killed (like MAP09, MAP09 and especially MAP09), though I didn't agree with all of the removals. But I figured I'd toss it to the community.

[Ru5tK1ng]

@Karakurt you are looking at the wrong list there buddy.

I've been campaigning to get map09 removed for literally my entire tenure on the IDL Board. Although it's not official yet, I can at least state that any deletions from the 2014 wad would most likely be 2, 11, and 18. As for that specific Velocity Map (Orbit Charon), I can recall when it was a contender to be added into idl2014. When it was played in a real match, everyone hated it. Players seem to flip flop on it a bit (somewhat like it, then hate it), but according to the last record, people didn't really want anything to do with it.

[Kara Kurt]

I changed my vote to CTF32 (me previous vote is WDL2k15)

[X-Ray]

i'd vote for the wdl wad but maps 11,13,21,25, and 27 have to go. I would love to try out map13 tho because it looks kinda cool. I want seans new map.

[HeavenWraith]

I voted for CTF32 because I presume it'd be updated frequently (well, frequently in comparison to IDL/WDL updates). That way people don't have to suffer shitty maps for a whole year, especially when certain individuals consider the said map a good pick (looking at you, former dirt MAP25). On a side note, I don't think I can take seriously WDL wad with that FWCTF map in its ranks, and thinking of a probable reason as to why it was put there makes me cringe.

[Samurai]

I'd vote to switch to the WDL pack, although I'll be honest and say I haven't played it yet. Maybe a few new maps can freshen up the priv scene, and would be all for giving it a trial period to see how it compares to the IDL mappack.

[ARGENTVM]

oh yea wdl2015 can't wait to play glorious maps like this!!!:

Yeah that's a map where good times are to be had. Definitely.

In all seriousness though, CTF32 sounds good (however, I wonder what the map list would look like), though if Rust is going to update the IDL wad, then I have no problems with that either.

[Shane]

WDL2015 is basically a throw back wad to idl2011 - 2012 with it's new additions, although a very standard competitive compilation, this wad is created primarily for contest play and not so much random romps. Same goes with the IDL prior to it's zandronum move, but I think a priv ctf pack that is compiled by public demand and not exclusive groups and updated yearly as time goes is certainly more ideal than a contest wad.

However I don't think AlexMax should be the only person regulating the wad. Not that I have doubts on his judgement or time management, it just shouldn't be added things for his to-do list. I'm fairly certain it should be easy to get a small list of contributors to carry on development in times of short comings.