Re: Major Best Ever moderation change
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:27 pm
We need to build a wall, keep them filthy clanners out of zandronum #Makezandronumgreatagainscroton wrote:Dumb
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We need to build a wall, keep them filthy clanners out of zandronum #Makezandronumgreatagainscroton wrote:Dumb
Are you sure that others want such freedom? Ingame, the most generic argument (including non-competitive stuff) is "shut up, you're bad at this game, you can't say anything good". Here, the rules forbid that.scroton wrote:While I understand my proposal might seem extreme to some at first, it would improve user experience for all forum members and actually give clan members greater freedom than they currently exercise.
Technically that would be up for the "clan mods" to decide as they see fit, according to his master plan. Kind of something less strict than the current rules but still regulated to a certain degree, depending on what the clan mods agree on. So yea, if they want to harbor such mentality, let 'em do it, but the rest of the community won't have any of that. The clan jews would be able to have (regulated) drama freely while the aryans would enjoy their peaceful forumsZZYZX wrote:Are you sure that others want such freedom? Ingame, the most generic argument is "shut up, you're bad at this game, you can't say anything good". You want to have that in half of the forums and call it freedom?scroton wrote:While I understand my proposal might seem extreme to some at first, it would improve user experience for all forum members and actually give clan members greater freedom than they currently exercise.
Comparing the clan sub forums in my proposal to a prison is simply not accurate.HTG wrote:what you suggest is pretty much a "prison" section of the forums, where certain people are hounded and sometimes (if they're lucky!!) given a get out of jail card?
I don't know who that is.HTG wrote:You know, you also remind me of a certain player named "dart" :O
Freedom of speech does not apply to private websites. Putting my proposals into place is well within the right of the site owner.IdeIdoom wrote: Ummm, again. What are these passes? A pass for freedom of speech?
I respect your beliefs but I do not believe your observations are congruent with reality.IdeIdoom wrote: I only see 3 or maybe 4 people who constantly post vulgarly on the forums who are from a clan.
As demonstrated in this thread, Jenova would be well within his right to do so. If that were his decision, I would respect it.IdeIdoom wrote: Hell, we should make BE only for clans in that case because the host is a clan member just to despise you.
This is that same toxic mentality I pointed out earlier. This is unproductive.IdeIdoom wrote: It's the one you asked for. You come here, knowing nothing about clans, blaming that clans should be refrained from posting widely because "FUCK YOU, YOU ARE IN A CLAN" only because you see drama and immediately thought to yourself "Hey, it must be the clans that cause this shit, let's punish all the people, even the majority who aren't even involved in this drama, because you are in a clan".
As per my original proposal, you fit into the criteria of being counted as a clan member. This information only strengthens my position.Ænima wrote:Ahem. I've been banned/suspended from the forums at least 5 times and masterbanned from the game twice during the 10 years I've been in this community, and I've never been in a clan unless you count =RaVeN=, which I don't because it was basically just a fraternity of modders and furries. We only scrimmed maybe 5 times that I remember, and that was in the earliest years of the clan. The last time I wore the tag was probably 2008.
Regardless of the circumstances surrounding your joining a clan, or how long ago you joined, it still illustrates a lack of judgement.Ænima wrote:WTF? Refer to my first response. How have I demonstrated "exceedingly poor judgement in joining a clan" when the first and last time I joined one was 2006? I did have a lot of fun in that clan, btw. Those were the days of BD, HAX, and SNS6, and the members of those clans were all pretty much friends with each other from what I remember.
The idea of building a physical wall to solve issues on an internet forum is laughable at best. Please be serious if you're going to participate in this conversation.Ænima wrote:A tl;dr summary of Scroton's posts:Scroton Trump wrote: When clans send their people over the border into the Zandronum forums, they're not sending their best. They're bringing drama, they're bringing hacks, they're starting flame wars. We need to build a wall.
While these aren't the exact words I would have used, you have summarized this part of my proposal beautifully. Thank you, Konda.Konda wrote:Technically that would be up for the "clan mods" to decide as they see fit, according to his master plan. Kind of something less strict than the current rules but still regulated to a certain degree, depending on what the clan mods agree on. So yea, if they want to harbor such mentality, let 'em do it, but the rest of the community won't have any of that. The clan jews would be able to have (regulated) drama freely while the aryans would enjoy their peaceful forums
Stop trolling, your making this thread even shittier.scroton wrote:I believe I have a solution for the issues the Zandronum community faces:
1) Create separate but equal copies of all sub forums for general clan members--"Clan Projects", "Clan Editing", "Clan General" and so forth.
2) Make it so that all forum members that are currently in clans or have been in clans at any point in the past are only able to post in these clan sub forums. Make exceptions for bug reports and other such things which assist development of Zandronum. For the sake of organizing events, allow non-clan forum members to post in the clan sub forums.
3) Remove any and all forum Admins and Moderators which are in a clan or have been in a clan at any point in the past from their positions and put them in charge of moderating the clan sub forums. Allow them autonomy in appointing new clan moderators from clan forum members.
4) G-line all IRC users that are in a clan or have been in a clan at any point in the past from the main Zandronum IRC channels, such as #zandronum. Leave other IRC channels as-is.
I believe these changes will improve user experience for the entire zandronum community as it will mean that non clan members will be able to post about zandronum and zandronum projects, and clan members will be free to post about clans and clan feuds without interruption from moderation.
Thank you for your time.