ZZYZX wrote:It does. You want to group the people you don't like and perform an one-sided zoo-like separation so they keep producing content but don't have any rights in most of the forums. This is simultaneously nazi and slavery.
I'm beginning to think this gross misrepresentation of my proposal is intentional. I'm not going to continue arguing with you if you refuse to be reasonable.
ZZYZX wrote:I'd say you should get banned for such ideas ^_^
Especially given that it's a direct offense towards me as a clan leader, and at least 1/3 of this community as well.
Feel free to report any of my posts you feel warrant moderator action.
Limiting those in a clan to a "clan only" part of the website restricts those who also map and contribute elsewhere in zandronum. So because i enjoy playing with a group of people i can't comment on certain projects by other users? nor can i comment on issues that affects zandronum? Great idea buddy.
As Konda helpfully pointed out (though not with the words I would have used), my proposal includes a provision for passes which would address all the concerns you have raised.
Also, to be clear, it is not the playing with friends that is the issue, but specifically the joining of a clan (regardless of reason.)
Second, banning every member from a clan from the main irc channel? aka a public channel? gee that's great thinking, especially when most of the talk there is from gustavo (who you share a few similarities with!)
Perhaps a second IRC server should be created, to allow for a #clanzandronum channel?
I do not know who gustavo is.
Echo wrote:Then stop pontificating who/what/why anything clanstuff should be/do.
My proposal only covers general forum guidelines, what you (and other clan members) do in the clan sub forums is entirely up to clan members and the clan moderation team. You will likely end up with greater freedom in the clan subforums as it is likely that many of the typical clan behaviors that would result in a ban currently would be permitted in the clan sub forums.
My proposal is designed to better the user experience for all forum members, and in fact would be in the best interest of clan members.
Which is why I said "were". You don't even know the past of this port. Even in your proposal, you said people who are or were in a clan at one point.
Perhaps the criteria for being considered a clan member were too strict. I think everyone can agree that a minimum of 3 years of not being in a clan is more reasonable? In outside cases there are still passes.
If someone joins a clan just to shittalk on the forums then that guy will probably get kicked right away from the clan.
I would be inclined to agree with you, but given my observations and the fact that one cannot be sure of the intent of another except as far as their actions covey, I must disagree with you. I believe the scenario you have outlined which you feel is unlikely is in fact a common occurrence.
You're not saying it, you are presenting them indirectly by separating them as much as possible from the normal community (even people who are pretty talented modders) just because they joined a clan or are in a clan. Biasbiasbiasbias...
As previously stated, the proposed passes would allow for clan members to post in the non clan forums. So while I respect and understand your concerns, I believe they are baseless.
Echo wrote:Or rename to Scrotum. Then it'll be a good laugh.
John Zombie wrote:rofl, this guy looks like the result of an experiment in artificial stupidity by combining Luke's and fylistyn's autism levels into a single individual. Get outta here
See, this kind of (quite frankly) unproductive posting is the reason my proposal is needed.