Rules revised or flexible actions taken.

[UnTrustable]

OK, so the previous thread got deleted due to me not bringing proof within the minute that this project is actually making progress.

So, these actions are still happening... Shame on you Zan-staff !
Thats my opinion!

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"All project threads require a download link and screenshots and/or a video showing it off."
"If the threads do not meet these requirements within 24 hours after posting, they may be removed"

is one of the rules....

Depending on what day in the week, i recommend a more flexible time than just a stricted 24 hours. When a post is made on friday, sure i can imagen that any screenshots can be added the next day if not 2 days later.... and again (depending the time zone)
I have seen so many times a thread (sofar 1 time on Zandronum ) where i like to reply on but suprisingly it has been closed and just 1 or 2 days old.
While it is daytime to you, it might be nightime for others. Be more flexible people.
Sure, the said 24 hours can still stay there, in that rule, but you don't have to follow this rule by the last minute.
Thats not what the laws was for, but i see so many companies doing the same shit over and over again, and believe me or dont, its not going to work.
I have seen it failing for at least 1 side of the party many many times.
How many times did i asked for "Compromise, people..." on Skulltag?
Don't follow the laws by the exact letter, don't follow the rules, in this case, by the last minute. Be flexible.

All im asking when it comes to this rule.

[Wartorn]

Given the time between the original thread was posted and the time it was reposted, it seemed he wasn't really ready to show anything by the time one of our moderators removed it after a user reported it 2 days after its creation. Under my own jurisdiction, I turned a blind eye when another user reported the thread previously within the 24 hour period, since Thomas had explained his circumstances and I'm aware of the fact that he doesn't live on the same island as some of us do.

Fast forward, the thread was reposted 2 days (Making the jump from the 27th, the removal date) after that which seemed to show he was pre-occupied and wasn't able to do much about that so I would think it would not have mattered in the first place whether it was missing or not. I'm not sure how we're doing this to the T by your explanation. A fair amount of lee-way was given from what I can observe based on the actions and timeline presented, but we'll see.

[Zap610]

It shouldn't even take an hour to provide screenshots or a download link. The point of the rule is to stop people from making threads where they have no work done on the project. 24 hours is extremely generous considering all people really need to do is post screenshots/download/video/whatever when they make the thread. I'm not convinced there's anything wrong with this rule yet.

[Dusk]

"All project threads require a download link and screenshots and/or a video showing it off."
A minor gripe but shouldn't that read "a download link and/or screenshots and/or a video"? That statement technically overrules all WIPs.

[Combinebobnt]

Just take screenshots before you post the project and all will be well.

[Captain Ventris]

There is no problem with this, other than Dusks' minor detail, which is only a change in wording, not intent. Don't make a thread for a project that DOESN'T EXIST. That's all we want, here. Just chill, and don't post about it until there's something to post about.

[Wartorn]

Indeed, I also agree with Dusk here. I revised the wording of the rule.

[Dark-Assassin]

And I fixed it because I can grammar.

[UnTrustable]

It shouldn't even take an hour to provide screenshots or a download link. The point of the rule is to stop people from making threads where they have no work done on the project. 24 hours is extremely generous considering all people really need to do is post screenshots/download/video/whatever when they make the thread. I'm not convinced there's anything wrong with this rule yet.

I fully agree here. As user i also dont want non-existing projects, and like any other i would have screenshots too BEFORE i ever make a thread.
However, i can imagen a situation that where you already have started a long paragraph, but you are close to bedtime... if you still live with your parents.
Computer has to turned off, so what do you do, click on send message.... we will continue tomorrow.
It was late yesterday, so you woke up abit late again, and because you have to go to work or school... another few daytime-hours will pass together with the nighttime.
before you come back home, its pretty plausible that you have passed 20 hours already if not abit more... (to think of working overtime, or doing homework-diner)
Not to mention if then after diner, you might be tired, and scheduled it for the next day...
I know, dont wait to long for the screenshots or download link...
I know.

You all made good points, and don't get mad on me, as i said in the first post, basicly the rule of 24 hours, there is nothing wrong with it.
It prevents other people from posting non-existing projects, or a good rule to live by with so you can remove the post legally.
Perfect.
What i ask for is flexibility to those of what we all know, they DO work on projects.
I don't know Thomas that good, but from what i have seen from him, during the years, and i believe many others too, he would never post a non-existing project.
He is definitely not a person who likes to create disorder to the rules by making a thread without screenshots, and just leave it by that.

I wasn't aware of the 24+ hours that seemed to be passed first.
If the moderator in question was flexible, then slap me in the face, and i'll shut up.
All i read was the "within the minute" and ofcourse, a neat forum like this, would not ever delete a post
from a well known user like Thomas, within a minute , or within 5 minutes.
I understood that, it sure had to be hours, how many hours that was, i did not know.
So thats why i asked here for the moderators, and we all have common sense, to be flexible at times.
If a thread has passed 24 hours already, think what day it is/was, i mean, if it was friday night, sure the poster had 48 hours to continue his post.
If the thread was made on sunday, well i can imagen that the monday is abit different than the saturday and sunday.
We go to school, or work, we get back home pretty much tired.... etc etc.
I realise we should be all the same, and judged with the same principle of rules.
Nobody should be threaten better than the other, ....i agree.
By asking to be flexible where it can be needed or IS needed, you might have the idea you are bending the rules alittle, which might cause some
disturbance between the users, sure, but nobody really knows when the moderators are active and when taking actions...
I can go on, but i might go repeat myself.
I also have to make myself ready for work too.

Just be flexible where it feel fit. I dont think it will harm any rule or anyone.

My apologies for bringing this up btw. Sometimes people say that im pushing things up to people/someone.
I really dont do that. Im just notice something and then i'll bring it up if i think its necassery, and at the same
time i find a possible solution for the 'problem'.
With this post, i believe i did this quite well.

[Ijon Tichy]

I have the problem where my mods aren't screenshotable or worth recording (see: drop pack). wat do

[UnTrustable]

Then the moderators are already flexible in these kind of circumstances.

Reputation status is also a kinda dumb and childish system.
As you two replied in this topic, thats cool, but to negative my internet name on this forum is kinda childish.
Also my opinion.
Besides its really useless, Decay and Captain ventris.

[quote=Decay]
Negative (-1): Stop complaining, please. It's annoying, and reading your posts give everybody a headache. [/quote]
Since when is it forbidden to discuss matters even when im wrong about something? Just correct me and i'll apologies when im wrong.
And i believe you just did that in the topic, and thats good.
But put me in a negative daylight is really childish.

[Arco]

Then the moderators are already flexible in these kind of circumstances.

Reputation status is also a kinda dumb and childish system.
As you two replied in this topic, thats cool, but to negative my internet name on this forum is kinda childish.
Also my opinion.
Besides its really useless, Decay and Captain ventris.

Negative (-1): Stop complaining, please. It's annoying, and reading your posts give everybody a headache.

Since when is it forbidden to discuss matters even when im wrong about something? Just correct me and i'll apologies when im wrong.
And i believe you just did that in the topic, and thats good.
But put me in a negative daylight is really childish.

I think you're missing the point.

The whole point of the reputation system isn't about how you're seen by others, it's about how you act around others. From what I've seen in this topic alone, you're basically implying that probable helpful critique is not only useless, but it is also in vain. I for one have seen nothing wrong with the current moderation system. Everyone is not only geared for change from what has happened from Skulltag ages ago, but I think that they're trying their best to improve the community as a whole. Wartorn stated that he gave Thomas a significant amount of time for editing the thread, but you appeared to overeact in the whole situation, hence the reputation you have.

[UnTrustable]

I see.

Well, then let me say one more thing.
Where was the need to put a negative number to reputation level?
Was telling me, that i was wrong, not enough to put me back on my place?
No, instead, lets hit the reputation button aswell.

After that kind of action i would also recommend to the Zan Staff to remove the reputation system.
Simply, because it wont help a thing.
I would not give a damn thing about that reputation number, even if it gets a miljon below zero, and i believe with me, many others.
In the begin i really believed that moderators weren't flexible.
The replies here convinced me, they do, so in short, i was wrong and as Captain ventris recommended me:
[quote=Captain Ventris]
Negative (-1): Dude, you need to chill. Your alarmist attitude makes you overlook simple things, and you come across as a fool. Chillax.[/quote]
i'll listen to that, and i will stop being an alarmist.
Again, the replies convinced me that i was wrong, and probably was indeed overreacting.
But negative my so called reputation on this forums, forces me to alarm you moderators again, because negative me or others wont work.
Or convince me that it does.... go right ahead.

By hitting the reputation button does not convinced me that you 2 guys show any flexibility.
Do i have to notify the staff that a few weeks ago, somebody posted an argument where he said that the staff were power hunger?
That they abuse their forum abilities?
Maybe this is a simular thing that this person referred.

[XutaWoo]

If people actually care about the reputation system, they'll actually bother to up-rep you if you improve because, y'know, they care about it.

If people don't care about it, they don't care about it.

Simple.

[Catastrophe]

I dunno, if you're unpopular enough rep just magically disappears...

[UnTrustable]

The point I was trying to get across to you is that you whine and bitch about shit that doesn't really require whining and bitching about. I was hoping the negative rep would make you realize how childish you sound but apparently not, but whatever, here's a brief summary of what happened.

"Thread gets deleted"

OMG NAZI STAFF

"Makes pointless complaint thread about sensible rules"

OMG DO IT MY WAY

"Gets negative rep"

OMG REMOVE REP

Do you see how childish this is? If you're over 40, fucking act like it. Seriously, just give it a fucking rest, or at least think before you post. And by thinking I mean "if I post this, what are the possible outcomes"?

GOOD DAY SIR

Do you see how childish your reaction is?
I already know the outcome, but do you? Most probably a ban for an x days/weeks, am i incorrect?
If you act like a moderator should do, we never got to this point in the first place.
But i guess you dont have yet the life experients to see that.
But, i'll give you the winning cup.
Good day to you too sir.

[Captain Ventris]

...you read that wrong. You think that his response was childish BUT HE WAS IMITATING YOU.

[KalFoxis]

Instead of coming in here argueing like little twelve year olds... why not just let him continue to whine and complain. he'll eventually get bored and stop.

[The Toxic Avenger]

So you'd rather have him clutter the forums and make them look bad?

[Konda]

So you'd rather have him clutter the forums and make them look bad?

Better than making even yourselves look stupid for trying to explain such a trivial thing that can't be simplified any further.

It's a rule. Deal w/it. If you can't understand why such a rule exists, then I hope that one day you will. If this rule makes no sense, how come nobody supports you? That would mean that you are the only one smart here and we are all dumb, which is not quite possible.