I figured since each server administrator is given the RCON (a unique key), they could moderate and keep their own server under control, shifting the effort I had to put in to administrate the servers to the server starters. This worked out great for me because I am mostly just interested in updating the bot, and am usually too busy with business/school related things to keep constant watch of all of the servers (peaking at around 90 at one point).
The reason I'm writing this is because someone had brought to my attention a conversation between Konar6, Dusk, and DarkAssassin (respectively, IRC administrator, developer, and former administrator). During this conversation (which you can read here: http://pastebin.com/qhuguXcN) they were criticizing BE for allowing users to administrate their own servers. Personally, I think it's a great idea, because it means that I have to do almost nothing, while server issues are handled by the server hosts themselves. I should point out that in case of extraordinary circumstance (server admin abuse, which almost never happens) a BE admin can easily intervene and ban the said user, as well as shutting down their servers.
However, this did not seem to go well with the three aforementioned players. Instead of acting like mature adults, these "admins" had considered: Banning me, Blocking BE from the master server, blocking AOW2 from being run on BE, and even implementing a virus that would crash the server if it's run from BE. I'm posting this to address some of the concerns, as well as expose the "administrators" for their ridiculous selfish attitude.
According to Konar, giving power to the same people that play your servers means that it is some kind of Rebellion server. Oh no, we don't conform to having one administrator (Konar) that is able to ban everybody for any reason! We are criminals!Konar6 wrote:you are one of the BE followers (probably because half of the server including you has rcon...) Kinda awkward from someone who's a regular here to support the rebellion server and settings that shit on all the work that has been done on AOW
To address that second part, these people have some type of misconception about what "shitting on the work that has been done on AOW2". Apparently, because Zoido, is hosting an AOW2 server that runs an older version, that the majority of players seem to prefer over the newer version, I am somehow indirectly shitting on the work of Dusk.
I'd just like to point out how stupid the above statement is. How about instead of forcing people to play what most consider an inferior wad, you fix the issues in the newer version that would make people want to upgrade? These same people critcize Zdaemon for their tyrannical-like ruling style, but want to force users to play wads that they don't want to. Stupid.
Great attitude for a developer of Zandronum to have, even though if you check the log, literally the only thing Ermac said was "Why is BE bad? I ping low there".Dusk wrote: 2013-02-11 08:55:51 <@Dusk`> pretty much so Ermac
2013-02-11 08:55:56 <@Dusk`> by all logic i should just ban you now
2013-02-11 08:58:01 <@Dusk`> what do you have in your defense?
2013-02-11 08:58:11 <@Dusk`> in addition to a shitty server to spite my years of work
To address this to any future readers, BE is actually located in New York: http://www.reliablesite.net/network/Konar6 wrote: 2013-02-11 09:07:14 <%Konar6> + side remark, BE appears to be actually in New Jersey so idk why Jenova claims NY in the hostname
Well, that might explain it!Dusk wrote: 013-02-11 09:07:40 <@Dusk`> well new jersey is in new york
ACK OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING WHAT THEY ENJOY CODE RED ABORT MISSION ABORT MISSION UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH2013-02-11 09:17:01 <@Dusk`> i'm offended that your server is in direct opposition of what i've worked for
2013-02-11 09:17:10 <@Dusk`> you host the maps that were removed (and for a reason)
2013-02-11 09:17:20 <%Konar6> if it was just maps
2013-02-11 09:17:25 <+Ermac> I am not admin of that server, they offered me but I refused
2013-02-11 09:17:38 <@Dusk`> your kindred still supports it
2013-02-11 09:17:38 <%Konar6> but that server is idiot fest... like playign with fraglimits...
2013-02-11 09:17:46 <@Dusk`> it lets them vote for stupid fraglimits that get -- yeah
Good idea Dark Assassin! Maybe you can get your admin removed on that one too! Maybe Dusk, Konar6 and DarkAssassin can all team up and create the ultimate doom port, where the only wad you can play are the official AOW2 releases from Dusk, and everything else is blacklisted! I'm liking the sound of that!2013-02-11 09:19:21 <@Dark-Assassin> Why not start out own port, based from the best early zdoom build, and make it modern. Not another OS thing, not ZDoom's scale of hacks. Totally separate.
2013-02-11 09:19:31 <@Dusk`> i've considered doing that
Yes, everyone in R is on the staff. We have vital R members spying right now: TheToxicAvenger[R], Dynamo[R], and don't forget Ruin[R]!!! In case you are reading this DA, that was a joke (you do not seem too bright).DarkAssassin wrote: 2013-02-11 09:44:57 <@Dark-Assassin> That's what happens when you get A3, UD and R in to the staff. But it's not really that anyway. Though the staff could be more encouraging.
To be honest, I could probably keep on going with these little excerpts, but if you read the pastebin you'll most likely get the gist of it.
I find it hilarious how Konar complains about people playing what they actually enjoy and "ruining" the wad. God forbid people actually play what they enjoy! Konar, the same person who criticizes private CTF players for only playing private CTF is now complaining that people are adding too much variety.
Here's some food for thought Konar: Why aren't more people playing on GV? If the self-administrated servers are so bad, why do they still get used substantially? If people had a problem with the admins, wouldn't they just not play on the server? Then again, I'm not surprised this is coming from a Grandvoid administrator. I remember a while ago where I had to convince some Grandvoid admins for 45 minutes that there was an aliaser in the private CTF server, while they tried to convince me that it wasn't against the rules. Maybe if you had hired more competent administrator (or even let users administrate their own server, like BE!), you could actually do a decent job of running servers.
To summarize, this is the type of treatment you're bound to get from administrators once they stop playing on their oh-so-beloved Grandvoid servers, and play on alternative servers that they actually enjoy! I would normally expect this sort of treatment from some random people who just have some personal issues with me sure, but going as far as to code a virus into your wad is pretty pathetic. The overall impression that this gives me about the staff is just terrible, and as a result really questions the validity of the staff. I can't wait until I get banned, and my servers blacklisted for criticizing this joke of a discussion that was held by former and current staff members!
This is the type of treatment you're in for when you try to provide a service for the Zandronum community!
Have fun!