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RE: I challenge everyone to MM8BDM
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:03 am
by DTDsphere
Decay wrote:
We don't need warnings shoved in our face all the time.
This.
It gets annoying.
RE: I challenge everyone to MM8BDM
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:09 am
by Torvald
Decay wrote:
We don't need warnings shoved in our face all the time.
In most circumstances yes, but the warnings are simply a result of an inadequate level of maturity in threads like these.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:50 am
by Ruin
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:09 am
by Ænima
Yeah I got warned for
this not too long ago, somehow.
To be honest, I fail to see how that merits a full-on warning (which contributes towards an auto-suspension or auto-ban, if your warning level goes high enough, as I've found).
Splitting my post because it was "pointless" or "not necessary" is fine. I have no problem with that. But it seems like the moderation nowadays pretty much
guarantees a warning for every split post, regardless of its content. IMO, that gives the person who reports the post wayyy too much power.
The act of giving a warning should be as objective as humanly possible. Receiving a warning for flaming, distributing wares, or intentionally starting a shitty thread seems justifiable. Receiving one just because some butthurt basement-dweller decided to report your snarky-but-mostly-neutral post just seems excessive.
(this warrants a warning) wrote:jesus christ, get this shit out of here. this just goes to show that furfags and bronies can create nothing good or original and don't belong in this community at all
(this does not) wrote:why did you make this in the first place? youtube poop isn't funny.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:22 am
by Ruin
For the record, I'm not sure who warned you Aenima. My posts were pretty much the end of my involvement in that thread. With that being said, I'd rather not have people go back and warn people in a situation that was already handled. Kinda irks me a bit.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:02 am
by HeavenWraith
I guess I'm the most guilty here, so I'll address this. So far I gathered the problem is those +10% warnings for overly off-topic posts. A fair complaint, as I can see there are quite a lot of people who would like to have a bit more freedom in the forums. However, on the other hand, there are people who are dissatisfied when there are off-topic interruptions in their discussion (then we get reported posts). So it's hard to tell what is the right way of moderation at this point.
If this thread gathers enough support, I'm willing to change my ways, since I'm fine with either scenario, just adapting to the local moderation standards.
RE: I challenge everyone to MM8BDM
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:33 am
by BURZUM
Decay wrote:
Warnings are not needed in threads like these; wait and see where they go. There is no point in continually telling us "don't state your opinion or get warned" or "no pointless posts or get warned," it's all in the rules anyway.
Nobody likes to have that shoved in their face. Those kind of "don't post or we will warn you" post can absolutely fuck off. The community doesn't need it's administration power-tripping all over the place. We damn well know when we post something warn-able, we see it coming. Unless we compare minecraft to lego, then it's a little unpredictable. You don't need to continually tell us what we already know.
Totally agreed. That's why I am getting more and more inactive in this forum ....
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:20 pm
by Reach Term
Yeah I rather have posts split than people getting warnings. Because it blurs the line from hate messages and ambivalent messages. Also if it off-topic, then there should be no warning given. How should people know if their comment would end up off-topic from the OP or mods stand point.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:00 pm
by Ænima
Yeah, splitting off-topic posts is all that's needed. A warning should only be considered if something more serious took place.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:37 pm
by Qent
Huh. It looks like Decay's talking about verbal in-thread warnings and everyone else is talking about formal warnings, so I'll talk about
TTA's post. The community in general needs more optimism. Posting that some thread will attract trolls or erupt into a flamewar already puts a negative spin on it, and risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:45 pm
by HeavenWraith
Qent wrote:
Huh. It looks like Decay's talking about verbal in-thread warnings and everyone else is talking about formal warnings, so I'll talk about
TTA's post. The community in general needs more optimism. Posting that some thread will attract trolls or erupt into a flamewar already puts a negative spin on it, and risks becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Oh snap, and I've jumped on the bandwagon of those who misinterpreted. All I can say is that even if it is annoying, it does in some cases prevent bad things from happening. If a moderator feels it's absolutely necessary to remind people of the rules (minority have actually read them before their first split/warning (obviously)), then why not. It's not like it's going to hurt anyone.
RE: I challenge everyone to MM8BDM
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:48 pm
by Metal
Decay wrote:
Warnings are not needed in threads like these; wait and see where they go. There is no point in continually telling us "don't state your opinion or get warned" or "no pointless posts or get warned," it's all in the rules anyway.
Nobody likes to have that shoved in their face. Those kind of "don't post or we will warn you" post can absolutely fuck off. The community doesn't need it's administration power-tripping all over the place. We damn well know when we post something warn-able, we see it coming. Unless we compare minecraft to lego, then it's a little unpredictable. You don't need to continually tell us what we already know.
Too bad not many people even look at the rules. Mods are here to enforce that, and we'd like to prevent problems before they happen. There's also new people who come in and don't see the rules or don't see the "Please don't do that".
I hope this is a thread about public warnings as well, because private warnings should be brought to PM, since they're privately issued.
Those kind of "don't post or we will warn you" post can absolutely fuck off.
You really need to word things better. Your whole "The whole world can fuck off" attitude isn't really getting you far and all it's saying to me is "I'm pissed off, and they're going to hear about it!". Really, give your opinions in a less aggressive manner and maybe we'll listen.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:06 pm
by Luke
Ænima wrote:Yeah I got warned for
this not too long ago, somehow.
To be honest, I fail to see how that merits a full-on warning (which contributes towards an auto-suspension or auto-ban, if your warning level goes high enough, as I've found).
Splitting my post because it was "pointless" or "not necessary" is fine. I have no problem with that.
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The act of giving a warning should be as objective as humanly possible. Receiving a warning for flaming, distributing wares, or intentionally starting a shitty thread seems justifiable. Receiving one just because some butthurt basement-dweller decided to report your snarky-but-mostly-neutral post just seems excessive.
I agree with you Aenima but...
HeavenWraith wrote:[...] on the other hand, there are people who are dissatisfied when there are off-topic interruptions in their discussion. So it's hard to tell what is the right way of moderation at this point.
... this is the problem.
Is true that moderators could be more tolerant, but if they are tolerant with people whom don't understand what is the line they shouldn't cross it's easy to end up with a topic derailered by someone who posted without the intention of flaming or derailing.
It's like a dog chasing its tail, a vicious circle (the snowball effect?): you (the moderator) could be more tolerant but this would increase the chances of unpleasant situations, otherwise you could be less tolerant but ending up giving a warning even to people who doesn't really deserve it.
All in all I don't know what really.
On my own: I don't find annoying to read "beware to flame". I think I'm mature enough to understand when I should refrain from posting; because if I find a post or a topic silly, or IDon'tKnowWhat I just don't reply to that thread.
I don't feel it's necessary to tell anyone that youtube poop is silly, but I understand that you, Aenima, may wish to open a -civil- discussion on that matter. I would have been more straight than you were with that post but... I'm only writing what I'm thinking, and honestly I don't know what to think, I understand how unpleasant may be for you to find a warning when you just tried to be friendly, but I've to support the decision of HeavenWraith, because if it's true that we're all equal, likewise we are when we're in fault. If there is the needance of giving a warn for post like yours is because...
Tor-Bjorn wrote:[...]warnings are simply a result of an inadequate level of maturity[...]
... the problem seems to be the maturity level of the community and, if it is, the solution is to lower the tolerance threshold. If the moderators do this, they must do it for everyone, because we're all equal.
With this I said everything I wanted to say, and quote everything I wanted to quote.
Over and out.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:25 pm
by Cruduxy
TBH topics that would cause mass bad reactions to them -and the authors KNOW it they can pretend but they know its an insult magnet- should have their authors warned themselves and the topic is locked with a "this should be a lesson to future topics".
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:32 pm
by Qent
That is incorrect. Trolling is one thing. Posting your project (or match in this case) that no one likes is completely different and okay, provided you're prepared to take some harsh criticism for it.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:55 pm
by Ænima
Cruduxy wrote:
TBH topics that would cause mass bad reactions to them -and the authors KNOW it they can pretend but they know its an insult magnet- should have their authors warned themselves and the topic is locked with a "this should be a lesson to future topics".
Qent wrote:
That is incorrect. Trolling is one thing. Posting your project that no one likes is completely different and okay, provided you're prepared to take some harsh criticism for it.
Judging by Cruduxy's wording, I think he meant "threads started with the intention of having a shitfest take place". You know, where the OP pretends to be innocent.
Anybody remember when DoomMarine aka Huy Pham used to post on the Skulltag forums? Yeah. Kinda like that.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:03 pm
by Reach Term
Qent wrote:
That is incorrect. Trolling is one thing. Posting your project (or match in this case) that no one likes is completely different and okay, provided you're prepared to take some harsh criticism for it.
This annoys me because it's sort of a contraction. If someone made a bad thread that wasn't a project and no one likes it, shouldn't that person take that very harsh criticism?
Before anyone states: That's trolling.
Welcome to the world of the grey area of trolling. Because at this point how can anyone see the lines between people who are being harsh and people who are being subtle.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:38 pm
by Watermelon
I ended up getting a 30% warning for posting in a thread "This will give Swiftshot an aneurysm" which is pretty over-the-top. Other than that warning which I think should be appealed (can I actually appeal it?), the other warnings I got we're just and fair.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:49 pm
by Reach Term
Spoiler: A little off topic remark: (Open)
During my full-time venture from June to December on here... I've yet to get a warning or ban.* I did however got maybe %5 - 10 of my overall posts were split from various threads. I don't know about you but that's actually saying a lot for a guy like me.
* = Igor ban back in November was actually a worked ban and wasn't legit in any way.
Note 2: I did get banned on main irc channel twice but it was only minor and very short term.
RE: Moderator Warnings [split from MM8BDM Challenge Thread]
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:03 pm
by Metal
Decay wrote:
Well Watermelon you see, different punishments for different people is the definition of ST/zanzan administration!
I'll address some of the other points in a little bit.
Probably because we're not all hive-minded, and we don't all warn for the exact same reasons, but generally we follow the same guidebook (I.E. Forum rules). Also, we're human, we make mistakes, and I personally don't think we're doing as bad as we were during the Skulltag era. I find we're much more relaxed now and less strict. I don't really see what there is to complain or make a big fuss over.